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Re: The Codex App

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Post by anematode »

nkohari wrote: post #157
zitterbewegung wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand why we are getting these software products that want to have vendor lock in when the underlying system isn’t being improved. I prefer Claude code right now because it’s a better product . Gemini just has a weird context window that poisons the rest of the code generated (when online) ChatGPT Codex vs Claude I feel that Claude is a better product and I don’t use enough tokens to for Claude Pro at $1…

> I don’t understand why we are getting these software products that want to have vendor lock in when the underlying system isn’t being improved. I think it's clear now that the pace of model improvements is asymptotic (or at least it's reached a local maxima) and the model itself provides no moat. (Every few weeks last year, the perception of "the best model" changed, based on basically nothing other than random vib…

> I think it's clear now that the pace of model improvements is asymptotic

As much as I wish it were, I don't think this is clear at all... it's only been a couple months since Opus 4.5, after all, which many developers state was a major change compared to previous models.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by epolanski »

OT: I never liked about codex how it didn't ask for confirmations before editing. While Claude has auto accept off by default I never understood why codex didn't have it. I want to iterate on LLMs edit suggestions.

Did they fix it?

Otherwise I'm not interested.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by [deleted] »

dsiegel2275 wrote: post #147
shevy-java wrote: post #145

No. I am glad to not depend on AI. It would annoy me to no ends how it tries to assimilate everything. It's like systemd on roids in this aspect. It will swallow up more and more tasks. Granted, in a way this is saying "then it was not necessary to have this things anymore now that AI solves it all", but I am skeptical of "the praised land" here. Skynet was not trusted back in 1982 or so. I don't trust AI either.

Good luck.

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Re: The Codex App

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Post by wpm »

Maybe I'm just not getting it, but I just don't give a flying fuck about any of this crap.

Like, seriously, this is the grand new vision of using a computer, this is the interface to these LLMs we're settling on? This is the best we could come up with? Having an army of chatbots chatting to each other running basic build commands in a terminal while we what? Supervise them? Yell at them? When am I getting manager pay bumps then?

Sorry. I'll stick with occasionally chatting with one of these things in a sandboxed web browser on a single difficult problem I'm having. I just don't see literally any value in using them this way. More power to the rest of you.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by strongpigeon »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #154
strongpigeon wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trick to reach the usage limit is to run many agents in parallel. Not that it’s an explicit goal of mine but I keep thinking of this blog post [0] and then try to get Codex to do as much for me as possible in parallel [0]: http://theoryofconstraints.blogspot.com/2007/06/toc-stories-...

Telling a bunch of agents to do stuff is like treating it as a senior developer who you trust to take an ambiguous business requirement and letting them use their best judgment and them asking you if they have a question . But doing that with AI feels like hiring an outsourcing firm for a project and they come back with an unmaintable mess that’s hard to reason through 5 weeks later. I very much micro manage my AI ag…

I fully believe that if I didn’t review its output and ask it to clean it up it would become unmaintainable real quick. The trick I’ve found though is to be detailed enough in the design from both a technical and non-technical level, sometimes iterating a few time on it with the agent before telling it to go for it (which can easily take 30 minutes)

That’s how I used to deal with L4, except codex codes much faster (but sometimes in the wrong direction)

Re: The Codex App

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Post by tomjen3 »

embirico wrote: post #50
xiphias2 wrote: post #18

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Cool, looks like I'll stay on Cursor. All alternatives come out buggy, they care a lot about developer experience. BTW OpenAI should think a bit about polishing their main apps instead of trying to come out with new ones while the originals are still buggy.

(I work on Codex) One detail you might appreciate is that we built the app with a ton of code sharing with the CLI (as core agent harness) and the VSCode extension (UI layer), so that as we improve any of those, we polish them all.

Awesome. Any chance we will see a phone app?

I know coding on a phone sounds stupid, but with an agent it’s mostly approvals and small comments.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by 650REDHAIR »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #101
strongpigeon wrote: post #5

Genuinely excited to try this out. I've started using Codex much more heavily in the past two months and honestly, it's been shockingly good. Not perfect mind you, but it keeps impressing me with what it's able to "get". It often gets stuff wrong, and at times runs with faulty assumptions, but overall it's no worse than having average L3-L4 engs at your disposal. That being said, the app is stuck at the launch screen…

I have the $20 a month subscription for ChatGPT and the $200/year subscription to Claude (company reimbursed). I have yet to hit usage limits with Codex. I continuously reach it with Claude. I use them both the same way - hands on the wheel and very interactive, small changes and tell them both to update a file to keep up with what’s done and what to do as I test. Codex gets caught in a loop more often trying to fix…

I hit the Claude limit within an hour.

Most of my tokens are used arguing with the hallucinations.

I’ve given up on it.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by deepfriedbits »

FeteCommuniste wrote: post #149
shevy-java wrote: post #145

No. I am glad to not depend on AI. It would annoy me to no ends how it tries to assimilate everything. It's like systemd on roids in this aspect. It will swallow up more and more tasks. Granted, in a way this is saying "then it was not necessary to have this things anymore now that AI solves it all", but I am skeptical of "the praised land" here. Skynet was not trusted back in 1982 or so. I don't trust AI either.

I'm the same way but I've got the gloomy sense that folks like us are about to be swept aside by the flood if we don't "adapt." I got invites to seven AI-centered meetings late last week.

Same. And indeed, it's here. The genie is not going back into the bottle, so we have to learn how to live in this new world.

Eric Schmidt has spoken a lot recently about how it's one of the biggest advances in human history and it's hard to disagree with him, even if some aspects make me anxious.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by abshkbh »

OkGoDoIt wrote: post #83
surrTurr wrote: post #10

- looks like OpenAIs answer to Claude Code Desktop / Cowork - workspace agent runner apps (like Conductor) get more and more obsolete - "vibe working" is becoming a thing - people use folder based agents to do their work (not just coding) - new workflows seem to be evolving into folder based workspaces, where agents can self-configure MCP servers and skills + memory files and instructions kinda interested to see if o…

Also interesting that they are both only for macOS. I’m feeling a bit left out on the Windows and Linux side, but this seems like an ongoing trend.

We did train Codex models natively on Windows - https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-2-codex/ (and even 5.1-codex-max)

Re: The Codex App

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Post by piskov »

Oras wrote: post #82
rolymath wrote: post #78

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Going cross platform doesn’t sound the main reason (or I hope not). For a company that size, is it really hard to hire specialised small team?! It would be a good show case for their Codex too

They presumably use codex to build this. LLMs output is non-deterministic. Harder to keep the same logic across.

Would I love to see swiftui on macos, wpf/winui om windows, whatever qt hell it is on linux? Sure. But it is what it is.

I am glad the codex-cli is rust and native. Because claude code and opencode are not: react, solidjs and what have you for a tree layer.

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Then again, if codex builds codex, let it cook and port if AI is great. Otherwise, it’s claim chowder

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