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Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by malfist »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #60
hubertdinsk wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not both? Where I work, there have been a lot of pushback where that BS doesn't make a lick of sense (the crown jewel of BS request atm: "let's put AI in the bootloader"). Good governance "should" also mean that those kinds of pushback are encouraged.

I imagine it went like this: CEO: Put AI everywhere/ Engineering Staff: There's a lot of places where it doesn't make sense to do this. CEO: Do it or find somewhere else to work. The problem of pushback at the lower levels is that it is completely ineffective when the top levels are set on something.

As a point of data for your statement, Jassy has repeatedly said that teams that have higher AI adoption are safe from layoffs. Use AI or lose your job is the blunt message

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by eviks »

Telaneo wrote: post #62
zthrowaway wrote: post #37

I can’t believe I’m going to type this, but I miss the Ballmer days. Current leadership has somehow made this company even worse.

It's a bit like Bush. Sure, what happened back then was indeed stupid, but we didn't know how bad it was going to get.

Not only did we know, but the "stupid" part is one of the major causes of how bad it's getting, so in retrospect the "stupid" looks even worse.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by boltzmann-brain »

3D30497420 wrote: post #106
kakacik wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well if its done in a dumb-as-a-fuck hostile style that whole world complaints for years , such effort and PM is utter failure and their CV should be tarnished with this for next 2 decades. And its up to us as a IT community to make it happen. They harmed massively their own company, and failed at the most core reason why they were hired - add long term value to the company. Its a bit the equivalent of architect buil…

I saw a presentation awhile back which included the slide (roughly): "Give a PM a numerical goal, and they will burn the company down to hit it." As someone who has worked in big tech and seen decision-making in action, I 100% believe it. This is how incentives are structured.

That's a dramatic but fitting characterization of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by protoster »

stainablesteel wrote: post #150
protoster wrote: post #88

Too late, idiots. Just as Windows 10 was being retired, you ran the craziest anti-marketing campaign I've ever seen and successfully coaxed me into switching my daily driver to Linux. Until this year, I've been using windows my ENTIRE life.

this isn't new, microsoft has been doing this to its customers for years

For sure, but 11 is on a whole new level in my experience.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by kingstnap »

watermelon0 wrote: post #75

I don't like this. Bad user experience with AI and general enshitification of Windows was the push that many people needed to at least try Linux, and for companies to take Linux a bit more serious as the desktop platform.

I think the more important platform is Laptop right now. Linux on laptops has battery life issues because unfortunately modern/hardware software makes it so "good battery life" is a knifes edge configuration.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by funkyfiddler369 »

Shank wrote: post #2

> It appears this moment of pushback has resonated with internal teams: According to people familiar with Microsoft’s plans, the company is now reevaluating its AI strategy on Windows 11 and plans changes to streamline or even remove certain AI features where they don’t make sense. Obviously this is a complete failure of governance. The very first thing they should have considered was whether or not these features ma…

> because they should have not built them in the first place

At least some team at MS probably wanted to see what kind of data about and from their user base they could squeeze out with those features in those places.

No matter how much value this company has brought the people, the main goal at some point became extraction of data. They rolled those features out just when AI tools began to hit the same wall: no more data this way; I guess not even more noise.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by verdverm »

Microsoft had gained my goodwill as a linux user when they didn't immediately destroy github and embraced open source

I have since been reminded why this was always misplaced hope. I will never update to Windows 11 or purchase any of their software again.

I'm similarly not updating Mac to their first ai-hype'd OS version. I've only heard poor reviews, zero interest in their glass and hyper-rounded corners

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by protoster »

ActionHank wrote: post #127
protoster wrote: post #88

Too late, idiots. Just as Windows 10 was being retired, you ran the craziest anti-marketing campaign I've ever seen and successfully coaxed me into switching my daily driver to Linux. Until this year, I've been using windows my ENTIRE life.

I recently started a new role and have to use Windows for work. I am seriously thinking of looking for another role because it is such a HOG.

I'm in the same boat, have to use Windows at work. In addition to whatver MS is doing, every workstation is encumbered with various EDR and antivirus software.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by mrdevlar »

protoster wrote: post #88

Too late, idiots. Just as Windows 10 was being retired, you ran the craziest anti-marketing campaign I've ever seen and successfully coaxed me into switching my daily driver to Linux. Until this year, I've been using windows my ENTIRE life.

Windows 10 is my last Microsoft Windows operating system. Between the fact that I had to turn of TPM in the bios so that I wouldn't wake up one day turn on my computer and see Windows 11. The massive bugs that prevent things like power off. The insane push for AI in everything (notepad? really?).

I know a scam when I see one, and Windows 11 is a scam.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by mrdevlar »

nubinetwork wrote: post #13

They'll pretend to care and change a few things for 6 months, but they'll just keep doing it. /shrug

Yeah, this is a public relations effort. Corporations, especially ones that have spent an obscene amount of money on AI companies aren't going to change their direction. They have to justify that spending to their shareholders.
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