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Autonomous cars, drones cheerfully obey prompt injection by road sign

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Re: Autonomous cars, drones cheerfully obey prompt injection by road sign

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Which makes the comparison of modern anti-AI proponents (like myself) and Luddites even more apt and accurate.

Unless you're committing serious crimes vandalizing machines to get leverage over a counterparty in a negotiation you're not comparable to the Luddites.

And you clearly don't understand the core issue the Luddites have if you think it was just about breaking stuff for leverage.

Re: Autonomous cars, drones cheerfully obey prompt injection by road sign

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Which makes the comparison of modern anti-AI proponents (like myself) and Luddites even more apt and accurate.

Because life would be so much better if people still had to spin wool and weave cloth by hand, and grow their own food by digging in the earth with no tools. Use whatever means necessary to stop powerful people from exploiting you and stealing the fruits of your labor. If that struggle involves monkeywrenching their machines, so be it. But like any tool, the machines themselves can be used for good or evil. Breaking…

Like the OP, you misunderstand the entire point of the Luddites. Breaking the machines was not an end, it was the tactical means to help illustrate their broader point of how the owning class can arbitrarily ruin their entire lives and livelihoods with absolutely zero recourse or consultation with the impacted people. This is a defining feature of capitalism, and that was their issue.

Your strawman about spinning and digging with no tools is just that, and is irrelevant to the core issue of capitalism.

Re: Autonomous cars, drones cheerfully obey prompt injection by road sign

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I should probably confess that as someone who lives in an area with a lot of construction work, I'm also very vulnerable to "prompt injection" when there's a person standing on the middle of the road holding a sign telling me to change course.

I once encountered an intersection with a big "NO ENTRY" sign on the other side. I turned but google maps wouldn't give me another route, so I did a u-turn and came back to it from the side. Which meant I was close enough to read the small text underneath that said "vehicles under 10 tons excepted". I don't think I've ever been so angry at a road sign.

I came across one in Italy that was meant to prevent you from using a street during school days from X to Y am, and Z to W pm, except on weekends, bank holidays and school holidays.

Re: Autonomous cars, drones cheerfully obey prompt injection by road sign

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The headline seems false, should we change it? It doesn't look like they showed any case where any autonomous car or drone obeyed prompt injections

I'm more curious how they knew the cars and drones were cheerful.

Re: Autonomous cars, drones cheerfully obey prompt injection by road sign

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One year in my city they were installing 4-way stop signs everywhere based on some combination of "best practices" and "screeching Karens". Even the residents don't like them in a lot of places so over time people just turn the posts in the ground or remove them. Every now and the I'll GPS somewhere and there will be a phatom stop sign in the route and I chuckle to myself because it means the Google car drove through…

Don’t use people’s names as a slur.

Man up, Nancy.

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4-way stops are terrible in general. They train people to think "I stopped, now I can go", which is dangerous when someone confuses a normal stop for a 4-way stop. It also wastes a good bit of energy.

Agreed. Four way stops are infinitely worse than roundabouts or a traffic light.

Roundabouts with high traffic flow in one direction can lock out other low volume approaches. 4-ways enforce equitable access.

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You may be happy with the current status but it’s actually both risky and expensive. Risk management means managing risks, there’s plenty of things having more farmland doesn’t actually protect you from. On the other hand having a decade of food protects you from basically everything as you get time to adjust as things change. Just as an example, meteor strike blocks sunlight and farmland is useless for a few years.…

I fully support having huge stockpiles in addition to subsidies. There's a lot of things midway on the scale between "business as usual" and "meteor strike" where minimizing supply chain disruptions would likely prove to be of great benefit. I completely agree that the current way things are being handled appears to have its share of problems and could stand to be better optimized. But that doesn't mean it's useless…

Subsidies as a concept includes spending 1% as much on subsidies. Subsidies as they exist now however are a specific system that’s incredibly wasteful.

Producing dramatically less food and ending obesity are linked. If the average American eats 20% less obesity would still be an issue, but that’s a vast amount of farmland we just don’t need.

The current system isn’t designed to accommodate increased agricultural production, lowering food demands, or due to decreasing fertility the slow decline in global population. Instead the goal is almost completely to get votes from farmers.

Re: Autonomous cars, drones cheerfully obey prompt injection by road sign

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I should probably confess that as someone who lives in an area with a lot of construction work, I'm also very vulnerable to "prompt injection" when there's a person standing on the middle of the road holding a sign telling me to change course.

Obviously. But you can also easily look around at the situation and know when the sign is fake and realize it may be a dangerous situation and disobey. Have you ever seen a green sign that says "Proceed" and just run through a red light because of it? No, you see a construction worker, you see big ass trucks, orange signs and warnings of workers everywhere. If you saw oncoming traffic and people in the road, would you just go because the construction worker flipped his STOP sign around?

Also, I thought we were supposed to make autonomous cars better than humans? What's with the constant excusing of the computer because people suck?

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Agreed. Four way stops are infinitely worse than roundabouts or a traffic light.

Roundabouts with high traffic flow in one direction can lock out other low volume approaches. 4-ways enforce equitable access.

Yeah maybe for a few moments. So what? It's a low volume approach. Sometimes people gotta wait and sometimes waiting to let a massive traffic flow get through quickly is the better way to prevent larger traffic problems.

Re: Autonomous cars, drones cheerfully obey prompt injection by road sign

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There are 10,000+ roundabouts in the US and the number is growing rapidly. One could argue they may even be overused in certain areas (exhibit: Carmel, Indiana).

>There are 10,000+ roundabouts in the US So about 0.003 roundabouts per square mile, or 1 roundabouts in 380 square miles

What's the significance of roundabouts per square mile? It seems pretty meaningless if I'm honest. There's huge swaths of rural land where roundabouts are totally unnecessary.
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