> How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
The protesters use a ("secure") phone.
How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
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#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a leftist, i can tell you that any kind of unchecked capitalism or inequality threatens democracies and their constitutions in the long run. The contradiction of private vs public interests surfaces when growth/ROI demands become harder to achieve. Marx predicted it as diminishing profit rates [0]. The decades of lowering taxes for rich individuals and corporations led to the present budget pressure on institution…
> As a leftist, i can tell you that any kind of unchecked capitalism or inequality threatens democracies and their constitutions in the long run. And as a libertarian I can emphatically agree. A foundation of libertarianism is freedom of individual choice, and when a significant number of are economically disenfranchised such that they face economic coercion while simply trying to exist, it completely undermines that…
> I do question why diminishing profit rates are relevant though. Even if profits had generally been going up, wouldn't the desire for even more wealth lead to the same lobbying / looting pattern?
Yes, it would, because the expectations of growth/profit/ROI are baked into the system (eg. by interests rates ticking on everything) but in this case, not necessarily to the detriment of society. The profit drive is the root of the problem. Achieving these profits is the point of conflict.
In early capitalistic societies, economic growth is easier because of untapped resources but once the growth of the economic pie slows down, environmental exploitation becomes societal explotation. Previously the point of conflict was capitalists, externalizing cost onto nature (waste products, side effects), today, it is them externalizing operational cost onto the public. Marxs take is, as i understand it, that this profit margin is physically bound to shrink when the remaining space for cost externalization shrinks too, because free markets eventually propagate the lower product prices.
Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
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What mandate? Trump did not secure a large enough victory for anyone to reasonably claim he was handed a mandate. Did the Republicans ever respect Biden's "mandate" on his issues, with a similar EV victory and a huge popular vote victory? Hell, Trump didn't even get half the popular vote. Nor do single issues get mandates even when a president does have an overwhelming victory. Voters do not select specific issues to…
I'd call it the presidential victory mandate . I guess he shouldn't actually do what he promised as the victory wasn't large enough? "Damned if you do, damned if you don't."
He’s not a king to do whatever he promised as is, he’s bound by laws and constitution (which are passed by congress).
Also as you were corrected there is constant goalpost moving in terms of whom exactly should be deported and how.
If you’re really interested in public opinion people don’t support ICE and especially how do they do what they do.
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#164This should not be legal.
Trump, ICE, and all their accomplices don’t give a shit about legality. A law that isn’t being enforced is useless.
Unfortunately, long before it Trump it was demonstrated again and again that enforcing the law against government is, perhaps not impossible in extreme cases, but 100x harder than the reverse.
Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
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A lot of western societies are aging. If you don’t import immigrants, you’re on a timer. The economy slows, quality of life drops, and people elect the far right anyway. It’s happening to Japan right now. I’d set up the safety nets and hope enough people will appreciate the better cost of living and reelect sane politicians. Of course there are no guarantees. People hated Obamacare and punished democrats so hard they…
If the quality of life was unsustainable without immigration, what makes it sustainable with? Current immigrants come from countries with high population growth. When their population growth slows down, will they get their immigrants too?
> If the quality of life was unsustainable without immigration, what makes it sustainable with?
Think of it like (internal) trade, it's a win-win. I've been reading about Brexit recently. It's super easy to convince uninformed UK voters that "look the EU is benefiting from trade with us, so if we stop trade we can take all their benefit and keep all our benefit" ... That's not how it works. In the real world it's like Taiwan specializes at chips, China specializes at solar, India specializes at medicines, etc everyone brings something unique to the table and we ALL benefit from working together. It takes a lot of balls to leave your original country family/friends/etc. Immigrants are usually high quality people, it's best to just let them work.
> Current immigrants come from countries with high population growth. When their population growth slows down, will they get their immigrants too?
1) How is that your problem? Have you ever been worried about China not having enough immigrants before? The US is extremely well-positioned to win this one.
2) Yes there will be increased competition for immigrants, but it's really not a bad thing. I'd love it if the UK was politically stable so I could just move over since the US keeps trying to elect Hitler.
Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
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Are you claiming it is impossible for an ICE agent to think "I'm just going to shoot the next person who tries to drive away" or what?
Planning ahead to put your own health at risk?
That's a weird way to frame the perspective of someone whose primary job responsibility is physical aggression. It's also not too hard to jump out of the way of a vehicle that you're focusing on if it starts moving. The argument you're effectively making is that the agent's positioning was entirely non-deliberate, even though he had been dragged by a car previously.
Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
What mandate? Trump did not secure a large enough victory for anyone to reasonably claim he was handed a mandate. Did the Republicans ever respect Biden's "mandate" on his issues, with a similar EV victory and a huge popular vote victory? Hell, Trump didn't even get half the popular vote. Nor do single issues get mandates even when a president does have an overwhelming victory. Voters do not select specific issues to…
I'd call it the presidential victory mandate . I guess he shouldn't actually do what he promised as the victory wasn't large enough? "Damned if you do, damned if you don't."
This country isn't one that respects mandates over the laws, and even within the laws there are a lot of mechanisms that are meant to force the building of consensus between both parties (or rather, across congress as a whole, since they didn't assume a two party system). These have fallen apart to a significant degree with the rise of unitary executive power over the past half century, but that obviously was outside of the framers' intent.
What people call a mandate has been when a position actually has been popular enough that it could be acted on quickly without opposition. The very fact that there is so much opposition to this, that the polling is so bad, that the protests are so widespread, that the negative feedback is so frequent even within the Republican party quite explicitly shows that there is no mandate here.
But again: If Trump's victory was enough to secure a mandate, why didn't a similar EV victory and significantly larger popular vote victory secure one for Biden? Why would a mandate based on deporting violent criminals apply to people without convictions? To people showing up at their court cases as they go through a legal process where they did follow all the rules?
Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
I understand what they mean. Taliban, the people at the top are acting in a calculated and rational manner. That is why the US overthrew the Taliban to be replaced by the Taliban. They're not morons, and they are not impulsive at least at a high level. They are cold and calculated and know how to use calculated violence and appeal to the populace. You may dislike this is the case but with Taliban I feel this is indis…
The point is that you fight against injustice even in the face of state violence. Every movement that is a threat to existing power structures faces violence. Take a look at the labor movement in the US, the civil rights movement in the US, the anti-war movement in the US. > Malcom X and MLK both had their followings. People like Pretti, never will. The new movement is decentralized and doesn't rely on figureheads. A…
You dismiss the relevance of following others as irrelevant because it's all "decentralized".
Yet damn me for not offering a "solution."
You sir, are a hypocrite. If I'm damned for not offering you a solution, it can't simultaneously be true following my "solution" is irrelevant to third parties and everything waived away as "decentralized".
Conversation ended for bad faith practice, heads I win, tails you lose scenario.
Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
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You've pretty much nailed why almost all the highest immigration nations are monarchies. You basically need a ruler to tell the populace they are his bitch and they'll get the free market and open work visa immigration (UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain) whether they like it or not. It does work and made those countries much richer but basically it won't easily happen under democracies with paths to citizenship for immigra…
> You've pretty much nailed why almost all the highest immigration nations are monarchies. You basically need a ruler to tell the populace they are his bitch and they'll get the free market and open work visa immigration (UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain) whether they like it or not. > It does work and made those countries much richer What, exactly , do you mean by "countries" and "richer"? The monarch is wealthier and mo…
In relatively free market (UAE is ranked pretty high in economic freedom), it should result in the many gaining at the gain of the many. Since people only enter a transaction if they are better off (some exceptions, but by and large). Of course the monarch can tilt the scales, although this is largely done in those countries to benefit the oil industry, which needs outside help and the profits of which are paid out as benefits to citizens.
The monarch is probably the biggest winner, but that doesn't necessarily mean the citizens are net losers.
Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
The point is that you fight against injustice even in the face of state violence. Every movement that is a threat to existing power structures faces violence. Take a look at the labor movement in the US, the civil rights movement in the US, the anti-war movement in the US. > Malcom X and MLK both had their followings. People like Pretti, never will. The new movement is decentralized and doesn't rely on figureheads. A…
You dismiss the relevance of following others as irrelevant because it's all "decentralized". Yet damn me for not offering a "solution." You sir, are a hypocrite. If I'm damned for not offering you a solution, it can't simultaneously be true following my "solution" is irrelevant to third parties and everything waived away as "decentralized". Conversation ended for bad faith practice, heads I win, tails you lose scena…
So instead of replying with ways that you think the movement could combat injustice, you've decided to make this personal? It's okay to say "I don't know," but you probably shouldn't pretend to speak with authority on a subject that you completely fold on when questioned beyond surface level.
> bad faith
Projection if I've ever seen it.