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CISA’s acting head uploaded sensitive files into public version of ChatGPT

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Post by thinkingtoilet »

coldtea wrote: post #158
direwolf20 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They say that most fascist governments fall apart because they actively despise competence, which it turns out you need if you are trying to run a country.

They say it, but they're wrong. Historically speaking there have been basically about 2 fascist governments, and they fell because they lost wars. And Germany, for one, did run them with high competence, to the extend that it took years for many countries to do anything about. It we loosen "fascist" to just mean any authoritarian government, there are many that run of very long time.

WWII started in 1939 and was done in early 1945, so it didn't take that long.

More importantly, maybe the Nazi's were competent at first, but they absolutely fell apart internally due to mistrust, back stabbing, and demanding of loyalty above all else. Hitler famously made many poor military decisions.

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Post by opello »

kstrauser wrote: post #43
JohnMakin wrote: post #5

This administration's op-sec has been consistently "barney fife" levels of incompetence.

Leave Fife out of it. His heart was in the right place, at least. Also, his boss made sure he was unarmed.

Or at least not readily armed, bullet in the shirt pocket and all.

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Post by bell-cot »

dboreham wrote: post #78
nostrademons wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somehow I think that the weak link in our government security is at the top - the President, his cabinet, and various heads of agencies. Because nobody questions what they're allowed to do, and so they're exempt from various common-sense security protocols. We already saw some pretty egregious security breaches from Pete Hegseth.

It goes back long before the current regime. People may remember a certain cabinet secretary who ran her own exchange server in the basement.

Humans generally find "food safety expert sickens guests with tuna salad he left out overnight on warm countertop" to be a far more damning charge than "fire safety expert sickens ... warm countertop".

Dig up a live mic catching Hillary calling the IOC a bunch of self-serving scum just as Obama was begging them to award the 2016 Olympics to Chicago, and we might call it comparable.

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Post by lysace »

coldtea wrote: post #156
lysace wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never worked in a company where an obviously incorrect CEO-demanded security exemption (like this one) would have been allowed to pass. Professionalism, boards (with a mandatory employee member/representative, after some size) and ethics exist. 30 years in about 8 software companies, Northern Europe. Often startups. Between 4 to 600 people. When they grow large the work often turns boring, so it's time to find…

> I have never worked in a company where an obviously incorrect CEO-demanded security exemption (like this one) would have been allowed to pass You don't have worked in enough companies then. Just for the sake of argument, you think anybody would have denied Jobs or Bezos or Musk one?

I saw what joining Apple did to a friend in the early 2000s.

(Extreme burnout, did not get rich from the pain. It was just pointless destruction.)

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Post by goopypoop »

ayaros wrote: post #118
BiscuitBadger wrote: post #24

There have to be GovCloud only LLMs just for this case. I swear this government is headed by appointed nephews of appointed nephews. I keep thinking back about that Chernobyl miniseries; head of the science department used to run a shoe factory. No one needs to be competent at their job anymore

Hey, working at a shoe factory is serious business. You have to be a real bootlicker to get ahead in a place like that.

just until you get to upper management

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Post by itisit »

reactordev wrote: post #46

It’s happening all across corporate too

And in all manner of regulated industries. People simply cannot resist throwing anything and everything at the magic text machine. A company can control its IT assets, but if the content is displayable on a screen, rest assured users will just take photos and upload to their personal LLM accounts to get the generative answers they endlessly desire.

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Post by subscribed »

JohnMakin wrote: post #93
stronglikedan wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been the same with every administration, unfortunately. It's just a side effect of such an unnecessarily big goverment.

Are you sure? This guy didn't pass a counterintelligence polygraph. Like, the one that asks "are you sure you're not a spy?"

Which polygraph, "lie detector" polygraph?

https://www.apa.org/topics/cognitive-neuroscience/polygraph

> Reviews of decades of scientific research suggest that polygraph tests are not reliable or accurate enough to be used in most forensic, legal or employment settings.

> Although lying can cause the physiological responses measured by polygraph machines—such as sweating and increased heart rate—those same changes can occur even when people are not lying, for example when they are nervous.

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Post by kergonath »

tryauuum wrote: post #124
BiscuitBadger wrote: post #24

There have to be GovCloud only LLMs just for this case. I swear this government is headed by appointed nephews of appointed nephews. I keep thinking back about that Chernobyl miniseries; head of the science department used to run a shoe factory. No one needs to be competent at their job anymore

Do remember that HBO Chernobyl is fiction, there was no shoe guy publicly drinking vodka irl

It is perfectly plausible that someone from a shoe factory would end up in that guy’s position. He would just have been running the factory, not making shoes.

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Post by JohnMakin »

opello wrote: post #162
kstrauser wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leave Fife out of it. His heart was in the right place, at least. Also, his boss made sure he was unarmed.

Or at least not readily armed, bullet in the shirt pocket and all.

In at least one episode he gets it taken away from him, which is my favorite bit. “Give me my bullet!”

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Post by reactordev »

itisit wrote: post #166
reactordev wrote: post #46

It’s happening all across corporate too

And in all manner of regulated industries. People simply cannot resist throwing anything and everything at the magic text machine. A company can control its IT assets, but if the content is displayable on a screen, rest assured users will just take photos and upload to their personal LLM accounts to get the generative answers they endlessly desire.

I’m actually shocked that security teams aren’t up in arms over this exfiltration of company secrets. I know some companies that are running their own models and agents but the vast majority are copilot/claude/codex’ing away sending all that sweet sweet IP to 3rd parties
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