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Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by dghlsakjg »

ndriscoll wrote: post #149
wilg wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arguing the "E" in the "Eggo" trademark and the "E" on the egg roll truck are so distinct that anyone arguing it must be lying is not a reasonable position.

My commentary on the 'E' is a response to that being specifically called out as the same in an earlier comment when it's specifically not the same if you actually look at it. The bit about the lawyer lying is what I quoted from the court document: that it's "likely to deceive and cause confusion, mistake, or deception among consumers or potential consumers" about whether this is endorsed or associated with Kellogg. A…

I called out the E as one of numerous obvious similarities in the styling of the motto, not specifically. You are choosing to focus on just the E instead of the other similar elements taken as a whole. We can drop the disagreement over that specific letter and my argument as a whole still stands.

Here’s the only context I Mentioned the E:

“The entire business is branded like Eggo waffles. The colors used, the font and stylistic “E” are the same, the white outlining of red letters on a yellow field is copied. It isn’t just the name and phrase, the entire brand is copied over.”

If it were just the E it wouldn’t be much of a claim. But it is clear to even a casual observer that the food truck business’ entire brand is based exclusively on recognizable elements of the Eggo brand.

You keep acting like Kellog’s is a villain here, but according to both parties Kellog’s attempted to resolve this amicably out of court. They went so far as to offer to pay for the cost of rebranding the truck as a goodwill effort and contacted the lawyer representing the food truck’s corporation over the course of months in attempts to solve it out of court.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by knowitnone3 »

kube-system wrote: post #101
djmips wrote: post #86

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I think Lego should sue Kellogs

Trademarks are specific to a product/service. This is why Apple the computer company and Apples at my grocery store can coexist.

I hope Apple corp puts a stop to that kind of egregious violation soon

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Post by Fnoord »

aschobel wrote: post #155
Fnoord wrote: post #138

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> need an always-on Mac Not really, you can emulate macOS on any Linux/x86-64. But it is actually a good point to get a Mac Mini instead of a NUC. The Mac Mini is going to deliver better performance per Watt.

Can you really register iMessage on an emulated MacOS these days? I'd love to learn more, the AIs I asked say it doesn't seem possible in VMs anymore.

I think you need to register on a real Mac (2 of 3 of my MBPs use OCLP), but then can use an emulated one if you add it to your Apple account. Either way, I don't recommend to use a protocol behind such a moat. Probably better to use Signal or Threema.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by rellfy »

Jayakumark wrote: post #92
simonw wrote: post #25

This project terrifies me. On the one hand it really is very cool, and a lot of people are reporting great results using it. It helped someone negotiate with car dealers to buy a car! https://aaronstuyvenberg.com/posts/clawd-bought-a-car But it's an absolute perfect storm for prompt injection and lethal trifecta attacks: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Jun/16/the-lethal-trifecta/ People are hooking this thing up to Te…

If you have to mitigate the security issues but still use the product, how and what would you do about it ? to prevent prompt injection attacks and trifecta attacks. How to prevent gmail and iMessage leaks, if we cut off outbound access then it becomes useless , also it will spin up a reverse proxy like ngrok and send the data as long as it has inbound access. Once it has internet access its hard to prevent untrusted…

The only solution I can think of at the moment is a human in the loop, authorising every sensitive action. Of course it has the classic tradeoff between convenience and security, but it would work. For it to work properly, the human needs to take a minute or so reviewing the content associated with request before authorising the action.

For most actions that don't have much content, this could work well as a simple phone popup where you authorise or deny.

The annoying parts would be if you want the agent to reply to an email that has a full PDF or a lot of text, you'd have to review to make sure the content does not include prompt injections. I think this can be further mitigated and improved with static analysis tools specifically for this purpose.

But I think it helps to think of it not as a way to prevent LLMs to be prompt injected. I see social engineering as the equivalent of prompt injection but for humans. So if you have a personal assistant, you'd also them to be careful with that and to authorise certain sensitive actions every time they happen. And you would definitely want this for things like making payments, changing subscriptions, etc.

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Post by mattmaroon »

z2 wrote: post #148
Barbing wrote: post #43

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Good question https://local12.com/news/nation-world/kellogg-leggo-my-eggro...

Could they have gotten around this by actually serving Eggo waffles? Would that have then fallen under nominative fair use?

I doubt it, no. I couldn’t go buy Taco Bell sauce at the store, serve it at my restaurant, and call my restaurant Taco Bell.

They could probably mention it on their menu.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by TZubiri »

Jayakumark wrote: post #92
simonw wrote: post #25

This project terrifies me. On the one hand it really is very cool, and a lot of people are reporting great results using it. It helped someone negotiate with car dealers to buy a car! https://aaronstuyvenberg.com/posts/clawd-bought-a-car But it's an absolute perfect storm for prompt injection and lethal trifecta attacks: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Jun/16/the-lethal-trifecta/ People are hooking this thing up to Te…

If you have to mitigate the security issues but still use the product, how and what would you do about it ? to prevent prompt injection attacks and trifecta attacks. How to prevent gmail and iMessage leaks, if we cut off outbound access then it becomes useless , also it will spin up a reverse proxy like ngrok and send the data as long as it has inbound access. Once it has internet access its hard to prevent untrusted…

Dont give your assistant access you your emails, rather, cc them when there's a relevant email.

If you want them to reply automatically, give them their own address or access to a shared inbox like sales@ or support@

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by mattmaroon »

razingeden wrote: post #55
clarkmoody wrote: post #34

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...and then what happened?

it’s in the discovery process with a deadline of February 23rd, at which time kellogg’s is to prepare their argument and motion for summary judgement. If that’s denied it tentatively goes to 3-4 day trial in July. Court listener: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/70447787/kellogg-north-... Pacer (requires account, but most recent doc summarized ) https://ecf.ohnd.uscourts.gov/doc1/141014086025?caseid=31782...

I never saw them again (and I host large food truck festivals here) so I just assumed they threw in the towel. I did not know they are still operating but apparently so.

I have to imagine they’ll spend more time and money fighting this suit than they did starting the food truck. I see no reason you wouldn’t just rebrand. The name is mid at best anyway.

But also, I’m kinda rooting for them. From a distance though.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by ndriscoll »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #161
ndriscoll wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My commentary on the 'E' is a response to that being specifically called out as the same in an earlier comment when it's specifically not the same if you actually look at it. The bit about the lawyer lying is what I quoted from the court document: that it's "likely to deceive and cause confusion, mistake, or deception among consumers or potential consumers" about whether this is endorsed or associated with Kellogg. A…

I called out the E as one of numerous obvious similarities in the styling of the motto, not specifically. You are choosing to focus on just the E instead of the other similar elements taken as a whole. We can drop the disagreement over that specific letter and my argument as a whole still stands. Here’s the only context I Mentioned the E: “The entire business is branded like Eggo waffles. The colors used, the font an…

It's based on recognizable elements because it's clearly parodying them; they are not copying the brand. They are not relying on people thinking there's an endorsement or association with Kellogg. They're relying on a chuckle. This stuff is all obvious to anyone with enough reasoning ability to pass the LSAT (or anyone who can pass middle school), so obviously any lawyer who claims otherwise is a disingenuous liar.

Lying like that might be par for the course, but that's why lawyers have a bit of a poor reputation when it comes to ethics.

I only mentioned the E because you did, and it's the most obvious element to display that in fact the font is completely different; the only similarity is "vaguely cursive". It's that sort of "clearly referencing X but obviously 'off'" look that parodies shoot for.

Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot

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Post by blinger »

mrshu wrote: post #136
saberience wrote: post #132

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It’s vibe coded slop that could be made by anyone with Claude Code and a spare weekend. It didn’t require any skill, it’s all written by Claude. I’m not sure why you’re trying to hype up this guy, if he didn’t have Claude he couldn’t have made this, just like non engineers all over the world are coding all a variety of shit right now.

It was not built by Claude -- Peter no longer uses it for coding -- he builds exclusively with Codex now: https://steipete.me/posts/2025/shipping-at-inference-speed

you're missing the point of the original message
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