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Post by keybored »

scotty79 wrote: post #113
keybored wrote: post #96

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> It's a system of power in which capital can (and almost always does) overrule everything else. ... Democracy is just the way how capital rules. That’s a contradiction.

Depends on how you understand democracy. It's a contradiction only if you understand democracy as a theoretical ideal. Practical democracies, as implemented in western countries, in recent decades proven themselves to be completely controllable by capital, both the democratic elites and democratic masses. I think we should rather go with practical outcome not the stated theoretical ideas. It's also a good way of eval…

I see we are going with the definition of democracy where it is one in the headlines and stops being one if you go into the text or interrogate it.

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Post by joe_mamba »

saubeidl wrote: post #126
joe_mamba wrote: post #122

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Police heard a gunshot and pulled the trigger by accident. Hence unfortunate accident.

Pulled the trigger by accident eleven times??? Come on man, don't debase yourself like this.

Yes, police are trained to always fire multiple shots at threats.

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Post by filoeleven »

joe_mamba wrote: post #156
saubeidl wrote: post #132

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Yes, but also the ones on the way to authoritarianism, as was argued the Trump regime is. Thus, currently allowing some criticism is not enough to disprove the alleged march towards fascism. People with that viewpoint would argue that it's only allowed because power isn't consolidated enough yet.

>Yes, but also the ones on the way to authoritarianism, as was argued the Trump regime is. Democrats/leftists/ANTIFA don't hate authoritarianism, They hate that they're not the ones in charge of dealing the authoritarianism on their opposition, as shown by the masked mob gestapo they set up in Minnesota doing "papers please, you're either with us or against us" on civilians passing by to confirm they hate ICE. If Kam…

> as shown by the masked mob gestapo they set up in Minnesota doing "papers please, you're either with us or against us" on civilians passing by to confirm they hate ICE.

[citation needed]

Also even if true, there's a vast difference between a rando on the street asking those questions vs a government agent. That's assuming the government agent isn't too much of a pussy to identify himself instead of hiding behind a mask.

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Post by xtracto »

dudefeliciano wrote: post #143
iceflinger wrote: post #139

Not sure why this is flagged? One of the largest social media platforms in the industry changed ownership, its user base is noticing an unexplained change in functionality? Surely that warrants a discussion among tech people?

these topics are controversial for people who support the current US government, they don't want to see it on their tech-news website (even though it's called hacker news, the spirit of the hacker manifesto is not alive here). Funnily enough, these flagged topics seem to spark a lot of conversation, and the voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defe…

My problem with these type of posts in HN is that the discussion doesn't offer ANYTHING constructive.

I comment a lot about these matters on Reddit, and I'm very much against all that's happening in the USA.

But the reality is that the discourse i see here in these types of political posts is the same as on Reddit and the like. (Whether For or against )

It would be great if somehow the discussion added something different. Like the post about Iran censorship and the suggestions on technology to bypass it (I learned about Snowflake) .

But the problem with US related politics is that HN people are very emotionally invested (being Americans most of them) and that makes the discussion become very visceral.

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Post by filoeleven »

joe_mamba wrote: post #106
chimprich wrote: post #103

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> Really? That's why they have vests that say "POLICE FEDERAL AGENT" front and back ? The paramilitaries that executed Pretti are all wearing street clothing, and all wearing different clothing. They look like a mob. > Dangerous people that could identify their faces and kill their families in retaliation. Well that's convenient, because it also allows them to kill protestors or their families without any consequence…

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Post by thunky »

dudefeliciano wrote: post #143
iceflinger wrote: post #139

Not sure why this is flagged? One of the largest social media platforms in the industry changed ownership, its user base is noticing an unexplained change in functionality? Surely that warrants a discussion among tech people?

these topics are controversial for people who support the current US government, they don't want to see it on their tech-news website (even though it's called hacker news, the spirit of the hacker manifesto is not alive here). Funnily enough, these flagged topics seem to spark a lot of conversation, and the voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defe…

> the voices of the government supporters are not heard here

This is sad to me because I really want to hear the other perspective, and there is no place that exists (that I know of) for people who disagree with each other to have a real conversation. Nothing left but echo chambers.

But I think HN falls into this trap because the down vote button is used when people disagree with the other person, which imo is a misappropriation and what prevents people from sharing unpopular opinions.

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Post by koonsolo »

watwut wrote: post #95
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wrote: post #65

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Trump did not got standing ovation, Carney got ovation. Trumps entourage tried to invoke standing ovation, but failed. People were leaving and stopped paying attention during Trump speech. It was just ... bad.

I really love this clip: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W_UE7h3nTmQ

When the reporter asks: "Does it still include US having ownership of Greenland?"

Trump: "Um....eh...."

All this posturing and he ended up with nothing.

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Post by filoeleven »

joe_mamba wrote: post #152
gambiting wrote: post #137

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>>There's etiquette when dealing with police that people seem to have forgotten. You are literally insane if you think this is a matter of "etiquette" or that it was an accident. Essex police haven't fired a single bullet in the last 10 years, and they are able to provide effective policing anyway. But in US a bunch of gestapo officers have a man pinned to the ground, with his gun taken away, and then they shoot him?…

>Essex police haven't fired a single bullet in the last 10 years, and they are able to provide effective policing anyway. Only if you misreport crime, ignore grooming gangs and arrest people for Tweets as "effective policing" in the UK. >And I repeat, it's not an accident. If it was, they would have shot him once. Police are trained to always fire multiple shots, as learned from firefight reports, people are left in…

> people are left in capacity to fire back even when they have several rounds in them.

And when there are 8 people on top of them, they're facedown on the ground, their hands are stuck in front of their face with no way to get at the waistband in which they had a legally concealed firearm, which one ICE officer removes while another waits for him to be out of the way before another executes them?

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Post by 0x3f »

orwin wrote: post #145
0x3f wrote: post #46

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They've claimed this is the result of or at the behest of 'ultra capitalism'. I don't even mind hyperbole--call it fascism if you want--but at least use the dimensionally-correct terms. This is like when people call everything 'neoliberal'.

Isn't neoliberal just Friedman and the Chicago boyz' liberalism? So policies enacted by Reagan, Pinochet and Thatchers?

Sort of and to varying degrees. Neoliberal is a funny one because it's used as a thoughtless pejorative by both the left and right.

I've heard people say housing policy has failed because it's too neoliberal meaning too free market, and then other people say it's failed because it's too neoliberal i.e. too much government intervention.

Neoliberalism is basically just markets-by-default and evidence-based alternatives when they fail.

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Post by piva00 »

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wrote: post #121
koonsolo wrote: post #116

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Then tell us what powers does the Dutch NATO chief has to make a deal in name of Greenland and Denmark. Trump got empty hands, he got totally played by the nice words of Rutte. Edit: Your conversation is really mind boggling: "Trump got a great deal on Greenland!" "What deal?" "How would I know?!?!?!"

It is not mind boggling if you don't manipulate quotes to fit for your narrative.

It is mind boggling how you keep trying to deflect away given your narrative.

> Trump got a standing ovation at Davos and got a deal for Greenland

And you don't know what is the deal, at all, so how can you base your entire argument in something you simply do not know? You don't know, you simply do not know.

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