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Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by haute_cuisine »

e-khadem wrote: post #48
breppp wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for someone with a tech background, how hard is it to setup your own tunnel? I'd assume cloud providers are whitelisted due to economic reasons?

Lol. That was _before_ these new restrictions. And don't assume that you could setup a simple wireguard server and be done with it. No, it had to be a proper low fingerprint method (e.g., you had to hide the tls-in-tls timing pattern and do traffic shaping). Now, something like dnstt sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. You may be able to open gmail in 10 minutes if it does, and you explicitly have to block the fonts.

What about SSH? Does it work? If yes, you can use some TUI browser as it would only pass updated SSH screen

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Post by m000 »

lukan wrote: post #139
nosianu wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://honestreporting.com/message-to-the-media-stop-publis... > Weeks after it was exposed that Hamas’ so-called “Gaza Health Ministry” has been circulating false casualty figures, much of the media are still reporting them without a hint of skepticism. > In April, research by Salo Aizenberg, a board member of HonestReporting, revealed that thousands of previously “identified” deaths — including more than 1,000 chi…

"to suggest that Israel targets non-combatants" Anything coming from Hamas is certainly not trustworthy, but according to the ICJ, there were quite a few more indications that Israel did this. Just the blocking of food alone is proof of targeting non combatants.

> Anything coming from Hamas is certainly not trustworthy

This goes both ways and applies to all conflicts, but somehow we always cherry-pick the source that is not aligned with western interests as the "untrustworthy".

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by baxtr »

anthk wrote: post #122
alibarber wrote: post #120

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There is some evidence to suggest that certain countries (Russia, China, Iran itself) have an incentive to use the Gaza conflict to cause disunity in the west - and hence keep it in the news cycle and public opinion. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/technology/israel-hamas-i... Interestingly, during the last internet blackout in Iran, a lot of the pro Scottish independence X accounts went quiet too: https://en.wiki…

Nice try with the Hasbara, but in the end Netanyahu's gang, Iran crazies are Trumpists arent that different in the end. It's all about power, as 1984 stated. Ideology it's just marketing and bullshit for the people.

I agree that people on the top usually got there because they wanted power. Also, they want to stay in power as long as they can. The greatest feature of democracy is that change of power is organized.

With that said, I would argue there is a huge difference between those you have mentioned in how they deal with protests.

To make my point clearer, I have an idea for you: In each of the countries you mentioned, go to the capital with a sign "I am against this regime, I want change" and see what happens.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by leonhandreke »

jraby3 wrote: post #102

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I agree that it got appallingly little press, as do many large-scale human rights violations around the world. However, I feel like pitting it against "the rhetoric in Gaza" is wrong. Gaza is much more our war (where "we" is "the West"). Our governments directly provide the funds and weapons that are being used to commit the large-scale grave human rights violations by Israel in Gaza and the West Bank. In plain English: we're funding the genocide with our tax money. In a democratic system of government, I would therefore expect and hope for these issues to take up a much larger part of public discourse.

Given the direct comparison and language of the parent comment, it's hard for me not to see an implied agenda here: Iran's regime is bad, they're islamists, just like Hamas, therefore Israel should be excused for having turned Gaza into a parking lot, or something along these lines. Our commitment to human rights should be strong enough to reject this sort of thinking and condemn every single one of these civilian deaths.

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Post by high_na_euv »

avadodin wrote: post #158
jraby3 wrote: post #102

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It's not even in the same ballpark. 0.03% of Iranians vs 3% of Gazans. I think we can all agree that Iran shouldn't be massacring its own nationals even if as the government claims they are foreign-influenced, but don't use this as a platform to push an agenda that harms even your own cause.

>It's not even in the same ballpark.

>0.03% of Iranians vs 3% of Gazans.

"One death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic"

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Post by midlander »

avadodin wrote: post #158
jraby3 wrote: post #102

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It's not even in the same ballpark. 0.03% of Iranians vs 3% of Gazans. I think we can all agree that Iran shouldn't be massacring its own nationals even if as the government claims they are foreign-influenced, but don't use this as a platform to push an agenda that harms even your own cause.

You treating human life as less worthy if a population has more of them?

It’s 30k in a week - all civilians vs 60k in 2 years - in a mixture of civilians and combatants.

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Post by akho »

renewiltord wrote: post #135
mrexroad wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> perhaps they will now form pleasant relationships and have joyful interactions You do understand what’s happening in Iran, right? Hard to take your comment seriously.

A small price to pay, surely, to be rescued from the mind flaying less fortunate people in corporate hellholes must face daily. Even with ublock Origin, these corporations will build a profile on me. Not so in Iran, where people can live without the watchful eye of Google looking at everything they do.

You can block your own internet, if you feel that way.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by Nursie »

roenxi wrote: post #142
Nursie wrote: post #109

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The people complaining were American AFAICT and weren’t worried by either, they were just drawing hyperbolic equivalences between suppression of speech and state orchestrated mass kidnapping and murder.

If we're talking about the Palestine Action shirt, Israel is defending against accusations [0] that they are genocidal. The police action of the UK seems like it could be pretty easily construed as suppression of speech in support of state orchestrated mass kidnapping and murder on a concerning scale. Whatever is happening in SA might be as bad, I suppose, but I don't speak Spanish or have any family connection there…

The example given was of a man in a “Plasticine Action” t-shirt, with the poster saying how that man was “disappeared” by the British state when he was briefly arrested and released.

If you’re not aware of the history of people being disappeared by states such as Chile under Pinochet, or more broadly what it means for a state to disappear someone, that’s kinda on you.

Either way these are not equivalent actions.

Yes, it’s suppression of free speech in a chilling manner. I hate it. No, it’s not the same as suppressing that speech by taking someone and holding them in a secret prison for years and/or killing them.

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