The whole Nobel Peace Prize has already been sabotaged by the committee in the past - I don't disagree with their current opinion, but quite frankly, they invalidated the peace prize idea numerous times before. You can look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_controversies#Peac... - ignore the ones in the decades ago, but have a look in the last 30 years or so. Many people simply should not have gotten that price, including Obama; and neither Trump. And that's just a factual observation really - the committee politicized the price.
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Considering his approval rating is still in low 40s, and not 0, tells you volumes about the average American mind.
That was my main learning from the last election: The difference between Americans and Europeans truly is much greater than I'd ever expect. I really thought that it was impossible for Trump to get elected again. Everyone was warned, yet they wanted him back.
Do not underestimate latent European fascism, which is easily promoted using the same issue: immigrants. Most countries have a not-quite-majority for doing their own version of Ice, including shooting civilians.
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#165Many in Norway and Sweden distanced themselves from the Nobel Peace Prize at the time it was awarded to Machado because it was obvious it was such a bad decision. Julian Assange even filed a criminal complaint in Sweden last month to try to stop the Swedish Nobel Foundation paying out over $1 million dollars to her, arguing it's going against Alfred Nobel's will, and they have a responsibility to respect his will. He…
To be fair, it's not the first extremely questionable Nobel Peace Prize award, for example, Henry Kissinger. While not nearly as egregious, Barack Obama was a bizarre choice, too.
I think the criminal complaint in Sweden route is the only path that has had some success in the past in trying to make these organisations accountable for the peace prize. Swedes like to wash their hands of Nobel Peace Prize responsibility, pointing to Norway instead (it's the only prize where the comittee deciding is in Norway and not Sweden). But the foundation that pays all the winners, including the peace prize winner is in Sweden. And in 2012 the Stockholm County Administrative Board ruled that the Swedish Nobel Foundation is legally responsible for ensuring the Norwegian committee follows Alfred Nobel's will.
Of course the Nobel groups were not happy about that decision so it's rarely talked about. But it's probably a reason Assange went the route he went with the criminal complaint.
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#166Many in Norway and Sweden distanced themselves from the Nobel Peace Prize at the time it was awarded to Machado because it was obvious it was such a bad decision. Julian Assange even filed a criminal complaint in Sweden last month to try to stop the Swedish Nobel Foundation paying out over $1 million dollars to her, arguing it's going against Alfred Nobel's will, and they have a responsibility to respect his will. He…
Machado seems fine. There are always going to be controversies around any political figure, and the complaints ahead of the award were... kinda routine, I thought? She was an opposition leader who was denied power won by democratic election, and didn't start an insurrection or whatever. Checks the right boxes. Make the call and move on. Now, sure, she then went on to personally hand over the medal (or statue or whate…
> didn't start an insurrection or whatever.
Well, she did call on Trump to intervene violently, which he did. She also defended the bombing of civilian boats. Even if you don't count those as insurrection, I certainly count them as a pretty damning whatever.
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#167These prizes were such a bad ideas to start with. Most recipients either think it’s stupid that they got it and not their peers, or they develop Nobel Prize syndrome. Many non recipients become sour for not getting them.
Plus the selection process is actually pretty random at best and biased at worse. I mean how do you select one person every year, without some completely arbitrary factor?
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#168For whom are they writing this? For the sane people it's not needed and for the not-so-sane it doesn't really matter ...
Well, you always hope there is some overlap between those, who need it to be said, those, that you can reach, and those, where it will make the tiniest bit of difference.
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No, Kissinger was far, far worse than any other recipient of the peace prize. Quote from Gary Bass, professor of politics and international affairs at Princeton University and author of "The Blood Telegram: Nixon, Kissinger, and a Forgotten Genocide:" "In at least one crucial part of the world, Kissinger’s legacy is fixed: In South Asia, Indians and Bangladeshis widely remember Kissinger as an unusually cruel and col…
Kissinger was a horrific choice. You get no quarrel from me on that. But the Obama thing was ridiculous and they should have waited longer before giving him it.
Why wait longer was he going to become more black than he already was?
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What does Jimmy Kimmel have to do with anything? Plus, citation needed.
YouTube videos are not citations. Just went looking for the video and couldn't find it thanks to YT's useless search function. I was forced to endure ten minutes of his hack journalism. More proof he is a mouth for hire. He said the exact opposite about FIFA when they gave Trump a peace prize.
He's not a journalist. He's an "entertainer", and a total non sequitur in this context.