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The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by dajt »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #49
afandian wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you mean you don't observe the same thing? Or that it doesn't cause you difficulty?

Most of the Tahoe and Liquid Glass related gripes are overstated or sometimes just against the idea of changing anything well-established

I disagree. I generally don't get too upset by UI changes - having been programming since before Windows I've seen many of them - but LG is a loser.

I upgraded my mac to Tahoe and I don't like any change to the UI that I have noticed.

I upgraded my phone the other day, thinking it was just an update to whatever it already had, and ended up with LG on there and it is a disaster. I enabled the 'more opaque' feature and it did almost nothing.

LG is an awful experiment IMO. I'd put it at worse than Vista (which I skipped) and Gnome 3 which didn't bother me because I don't expect anything from linux desktops. I also skipped Windows 8 so not sure about the ranking there. But I'd say it's that level of disaster.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by re »

ubercow13 wrote: post #117

Also the resize cursor is completely unreliable, the cursor often doesn't change to the resize one when the mouse is over the correct resize areg. So it's even harder to tell if your cursor is in the right place before clicking. If you click in the wrong place it can have frustrating consequences, like activating another window or even clicking something inside it.

I have had issues with resizing Quick Look windows with their rounded corners on macOS for the last several major versions, well before Tahoe. The resize cursor indicator there also doesn't seem to appear at the correct location for the actual resize handles.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by 1over137 »

rectang wrote: post #148
1over137 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

History always repeats itself. The young generation always thinks the old generation was rubbish and they have nothing to learn from them and can do better.

And the elder generation is always convinced that the young generation is degenerate, incompetent, and destined for ruin.

Yup! And the cycle continues.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by jeroenhd »

flohofwoe wrote: post #81
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #44

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This is probably not a coincidence. I can pretty much guarantee you a developer said something to a designer like "hey, most of this is outside the window, is that fine?" and the designer said back "well, I think so, but let's check what Windows did," and then they okayed the decision at least in part because Windows did it.

Which is all the more bizarre, because historically it was usually Windows which copied MacOS ;) That the roles got reversed became painfully clear when macOS copied the Windows Vista style popup mess for access permissions.

The macOS style popups are arguably worse.

Windows Vista may have been plagued by programs assuming administrator access for everything but at least it isolated the security prompt.

You can verify that you're interacting with a real UAC prompt (by pressing ctrl+alt+delete for instance, which can be configured to he required before approving a prompt).

Any program can replicate the macOS security dialogs. You just have to hope that you can safely enter the password to your account into one, or activate TouchID when prompted.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by greenavocado »

Saline9515 wrote: post #114
foxandmouse wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Yes, but Linux is finally in that position, not to mention we're seeing silicon from intel and amd that can compete with the M series on mobile devices.

Linux isn't in position regarding display/UI. It doesn't handles HiDPI (e.g 4K) screen uniformly, leading to a lot of blurry apps depending on the display abstraction used (Wayland/X11) and compositor (GNOME, KDE, etc, all behave differently). Let's not even talk about the case when you have monitors that have different DPI, something that is handled seamlessly by MacOS, unlike Linux where it feels like a d20 roll de…

You're supposed to use KDE with Xorg if you want things to just work. KDE with Wayland if you're adventurous.

Therefore newcomers should use Kubuntu or the likes of it

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by Y_Y »

1over137 wrote: post #54
lateforwork wrote: post #41

This behavior is similar to Windows 11. You have to position the mouse just outside the window. It is non-intuitive and awful. These are problems humanity solved over 35 years ago (see NeXTSTEP). Why are these designers breaking basic features that worked for over 35 years?

History always repeats itself. The young generation always thinks the old generation was rubbish and they have nothing to learn from them and can do better.

> overall, the young copy the elders and contend hotly with them in words and in deeds, while the elders, lowering themselves to the level of the young, sate themselves with pleasantries and wit, mimicking the young in order not to look unpleasant and despotic.

"Socrates", in Plato's Republic

None of us are immune to cycles in fashion, and the need to differentiate ourselves and our work from what came before, even if what came before was pretty much a solved problem.

Maybe it's humanity's way of escaping local minima, or maybe it's an endless curse which every generation must bemoan.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by lunar_rover »

GrowingSideways wrote: post #19
signal11 wrote: post #9

Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista. If you’re from Apple and reading this, my feedback is pretty succinct: “I don’t recommend others upgrade. I wish I didn’t.” Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Let’s see if Apple can turn things around. iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bits.

Can you interpret this comment for those of us that haven't used windows? All i can recall from "vista" is that it looked good

Vista had the right direction, Windows 7 merely continued on it and it became one of the best operating systems ever.

Windows 8 design wasn't bad per se, but they shipped the start screen when it lacks even the most basic features, so you'll return to legacy desktop the moment you want to do anything.

I don't think any of them are like Tahoe TBH.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by cr1895 »

testfrequency wrote: post #45
nntwozz wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to beat on my own drum but as a mac convert from the days of Tiger I saw the writing on the wall from miles away. Still on iOS 18 and macOS 15 (Sequoia). I was a day one upgrader up until now, never had any regrets but this time things seemed very different. It's worrisome but all is not lost, I'll start sweating for real if next year's releases don't improve things substantially.

Maybe you didn’t catch this yet, but Apple pulled their latest iOS 18.7.3 update and they seem to only promote iOS 26 now. They really want everyone off iOS 18 :/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2026/01/07/hundreds-...

You can sign up for Apple beta and keep doing iOS 18 updates.
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