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Is beef tallow making a comeback?

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Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?

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Post by fooker »

zaphar wrote: post #117
tombert wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your “fixes” for the medical establishment include spreading unsubstantiated fear mongering about vaccines and science denial then you would be right to be classified as an anti vaxxer and a science denier.

I think you might be missing the posters point. He agrees with you on nearly every point you are making. He is however expanding on that saying that the problem is something of a self-own by the combination of science, science reporting, and science driven policy. Trust was so thoroughly lowered that there was almost no avoiding an event like Trump/RFK. It can be true that 1. RFK is not qualified and is likely to mak…

Right.

It's funny that my point about 'every attempt to fix the medical establishment is branded as science denial' was branded as science denial :)

Nice recursive proof.

Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?

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Post by fooker »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #105
fooker wrote: post #76

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Yes, I agree. Now, everyone trying to fix the medical establishment is immediately called an anti vaxxer, science denier, etc. At some point it was inevitable that we get someone who can shrug these labels off because they do not have a scientific reputation that can be killed with these labels. My point is, again, we are in this situation because sane attempts to fix things has not worked. To an extent that people w…

> Now, everyone trying to fix the medical establishment is immediately called an anti vaxxer, science denier, etc. Well they keep showing up with shitty unverified claims...are we supposed to treat their shitty claims as valid just because they're against the grain? It's also good to keep an eye on the graft. It's funny how pretty much every big personality in the alt-med space has totally awesome products to sell yo…

Maybe you missed my point.

I claim that every credible opposition to the medical establishment has been branded as science denial for decades, so much that scientists and researchers won't even bother any more for the sake of their careers.

That's how you get the people you are talking about.

Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

fooker wrote: post #162
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now, everyone trying to fix the medical establishment is immediately called an anti vaxxer, science denier, etc. Well they keep showing up with shitty unverified claims...are we supposed to treat their shitty claims as valid just because they're against the grain? It's also good to keep an eye on the graft. It's funny how pretty much every big personality in the alt-med space has totally awesome products to sell yo…

Maybe you missed my point. I claim that every credible opposition to the medical establishment has been branded as science denial for decades, so much that scientists and researchers won't even bother any more for the sake of their careers. That's how you get the people you are talking about.

Which credible oppositions that were branded as science denial do you have in mind, specifically?

My own memory of opposition to the medical establishment in past decades inevitably flows to homeopathy, colloidal silver, and other nonsense. There's always been a lot of kooks and grifters trying to make a buck off the gullible by playing on their paranoia.

Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?

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Post by fooker »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #163
fooker wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you missed my point. I claim that every credible opposition to the medical establishment has been branded as science denial for decades, so much that scientists and researchers won't even bother any more for the sake of their careers. That's how you get the people you are talking about.

Which credible oppositions that were branded as science denial do you have in mind, specifically? My own memory of opposition to the medical establishment in past decades inevitably flows to homeopathy, colloidal silver, and other nonsense. There's always been a lot of kooks and grifters trying to make a buck off the gullible by playing on their paranoia.

The most prominent historical example is Semmelweis, dude wanted doctors to start washing hands. Was ridiculed, bullied, and abused into insanity.

I'll leave out mrna vaccines and gender related examples to avoid politically charged examples and people missing the forest for the trees.

Here are some more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Abramson (Read his book!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Olivieri

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Healy_(psychiatrist)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Oldham_Kelsey

You can google the general topic and see that there are hundreds more, but none of these individuals managed to become prominent or well known because they just gave up.

Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?

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Post by embedding-shape »

mattmaroon wrote: post #158
embedding-shape wrote: post #151

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> People have fried things in lard for millennia Yeah I bet, but with Americans you never know, I've seen people pour melted processed butter across popcorn, so when it comes to what Americans eat, I've learned to always ask rather than assume.

Wait, there are people who don’t put butter on popcorn? You don’t know what you’re missing.

Well, I don't eat popcorn at all, the "skin/shell" gets stuck in my teeth so not worth it :) My wife though loves popcorn, but I don't think she'd ever pour melted butter over them, too health-conscious for that I suppose.

Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?

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Post by paulnpace »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #99
paulnpace wrote: post #46

> relatively obscure cooking medium I guess I'm old now, because I remember when it was a big deal that McDonald's switched from using tallow.

I remember Kentucky Fried Chicken tasting really really good as a kid. Their fries, too. We used to go bananas when my parents would bring home a bucket. Then something changed in the 90s. I've been told it was a switch from frying in beef tallow to using vegetable oil. It's just disgusting now.

They've also added MSG to the Colonel's original herbs and spices. I haven't been there in at least 15 years.
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