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Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by jamespo »

schmuckonwheels wrote: post #117
steve1977 wrote: post #101

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macOS has Cocoa since 2000, which is still useable, and SwiftUI since a few years. No comparison to the mess of UI toolkits on Windows.

And what about Carbon? Gone. 32-bit apps? Gone. PowerPC stuff? Anything more than a few years old? Forget it. You can't even run versions of iPhoto or iTunes after they deliberately broke them and replaced them with objectively shittier equivalents. Their own apps! Windows can still run programs from the 90s unmodified. There are VB6 apps from 1998 talking to Access databases still running small businesses today. Can…

Try running windows 11 on old CPUs, or machines without secure boot / TPM 2.0.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by kyboren »

ncpa-cpl wrote: post #120
spikej wrote: post #36

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Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

And Calc! It takes about 5 seconds to load. And search is so unreliable mixing web and local results.

I've been pretty much exclusively Linux-based for over a decade now, but I used every version of Windows from 3.11 to Windows 7, so I still have some muscle memory from the good ol' days.

Recently I was helping a relative do something on their Windows 11 machine and I asked them to press Windows key + R, type calc, press Enter. And I was astonished at the result. Literally: Mouth agape, frozen in astonishment for about 10 seconds.

I knew about the ads and tracking and the local account bullshit, but I didn't realize just how bad the Windows experience has become.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by ThatMedicIsASpy »

qwerpy wrote: post #48
nilamo wrote: post #20

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I, too, am irrationally furious at microsoft for forcing me to look at nature scapes and offering a link to learn more if I wanted.

What got me to angrily turn it off was a gigantic closeup of a moose face. It’s kind of funny now that I think about it but I have two 32” monitors and I really did not need 64” of moose lips and wet nostrils.

I was wondering what I want for my background but you've nailed it. Just random animals in nature.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by dragonwriter »

keyringlight wrote: post #144
adabyron wrote: post #116

Maybe some Microsoft Devs can publish a book about all the secret regedit hacks they use to make it function for themselves. I think Dave Plummer or another Msft vet mentioned you can remove hibernate & get 25GB back on your hard drive.

Isn't disabling hibernate "powercfg /hibernate off"? I'm not aware of a simple and obvious UI switch to do the same

I'm pretty sure hibernate has defaulted to off for quite a while and has to be turned on if desired (at least, the last several machines I've bought new that was the case.)

The UI switch is not particularly obvious, at Control Panel → Hardware and Sound → Power Options → System Settings

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by 3eb7988a1663 »

lysace wrote: post #113
pbohun wrote: post #31

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It sounds weird to say, but Steve Ballmer was probably the best CEO of Microsoft.

Feb 2014: Satya Nadella becomes CEO. July 2014: Microsoft lays off 14k people, a large portion of which are SDET (Software Development Engineer in Test)/QA/test people. The idea was that regular developers themselves would be writing and owning tests rather than relying on separate testers. I'm sure there were multiple instances of insane empire building and lots of unproductivity, but it's also hard to not think thi…

Ultimately it still comes down to someone in the chain giving a damn. There are obvious, surface level bugs across most technologies. Yet, developers, PMs, VPs all sign off and say, "Close enough".

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by addaon »

schmuckonwheels wrote: post #157
addaon wrote: post #142

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> 32-bit apps? The Core 2 Duo, used in the last 32 bit Mac, was released in 2006. > PowerPC stuff? The last G5 PowerPCs were, similarly, discontinued in 2006. > every 5 years. 20?

Your stance is all software should die as soon as the generation of chip it was developed on stops being sold?

Sorry, I see how my post might have been somewhat unclear. No, my stance is that 2006 is closer to 20 years ago than 5 years ago.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by tibbydudeza »

The other day I got tired of using mRemoteNG for RDP it takes ages to start up.

So I went back to Microsoft's own RDP client - they deprecated it and now only support the new Windows App but you need to login with your corporate email and it does not even support RDP but Azure !!!!.

You need to go to the stone age and use the RDP client they shipped with Windows NT 4.0.

Say what you want about Balmer but Satya is now worse - he needs to go.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by ewoodrich »

greenavocado wrote: post #50
mapontosevenths wrote: post #25

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The last time this subject came up someone in the thread jumped up to explain to me how Windows 11 has all these great new features that make it worth being many times less performant. Every feature they listed was some anti-consumer thing that only a corporate customer would ever care about or want. Every single one. What I learned is that Windows 11 is great for the customer, I'm just not the customer. I'm just the…

- TPM 2.0 requirement - Secure Boot enforcement - Microsoft account requirement - BitLocker device encryption tied to MS account - Hardware attestation - Telemetry/Data Collection - Extensive diagnostic data collection - Advertising ID tracking - Activity history syncing - Bing integration everywhere - Edge as persistent default (difficult to change) - OneDrive integration/nagging - Microsoft 365 upselling - Copilot…

FYI, nearly all of that UI/app garbage can be removed (or re-enabled like the Start/context menu) in https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat

It persists across updates, can be customized with extremely granular control over what is removed/re-enabled, or using the default mode which works fantastically for most users with minimal risk of disabling something many people might prefer to keep (e.g Xbox app).

I’ve been using it for years on every machine/VM with Windows 11 installed. The OS gets out of my way completely both in terms of functionality and distractions like ads.

I cannot recommend it enough, I am eternally grateful to the maintainers for making Windows 11 feel like a modernized Windows 7 experience.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by uxcolumbo »

SilasX wrote: post #51
spikej wrote: post #36

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Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

This. It was infuriating to find Notepad got updated to a bloated app with rich text and Copilot. It's so different, it just should have been another program. The whole reason I use Notepad is because it's a simple, dumb, fast, predictable program. If I wanted the rich text, I would use any of the numerous other options! And for the kicker, the update made it forget my font settings.

Use MetaPad - like Notepad.

https://liquidninja.com/metapad/

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