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Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #152
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #143

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Am I suggesting that you do not do it? Hardly. That said, I am simply not buying my newly assigned martyr.

Again, this concept of "newly assigned martyr" you have is not something that fell from heaven fully formed. It was shaped and given to you by what you call "power centers" - ones which are currently running the United States government! - because they think this framing is beneficial to them. I'm going to stop the conversation here before I start coming up with unwise insults, because it's just infuriating that you…

Who says I can't? In any event, before you go, why, exactly, is it infuriating?

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by dylan604 »

mercanlIl wrote: post #119
everdrive wrote: post #19

So this is getting to be pretty real and pretty scary. How many of you have actually considered just not using your mobile phone any longer? Turning it off, only powering it on when you need it, and not bringing it when you leave your home? Within a lot of our lifetimes, this was the norm. Are these devices so useful that put up with carrying a tracking / listening device on us at all time?

Just one anecdotal perspective: I do not of know a single person in my extended family/professional network/social circle who has had location tracking or app eavesdropping directly impact their life. The only impact I’ve seen is via advertising exposure. (For me) The convenience of Google Maps for navigation, and messaging for communication, is too beneficial. The _impact_ of these technologies as surveillance tools…

> I do not of know a single person in my extended family/professional network/social circle who has had location tracking or app eavesdropping directly impact their life.

yet. that's always the problem with such a strong declarative. things are not finished to be so finite

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

newfriend wrote: post #151
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #113

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I don't care what you think is viable anymore, because the current US immigration enforcement authorities are themselves criminals and murderers. Until Kristi Noem and Greg Bovino are in prison jumpsuits, I will never support the enforcement of US immigration laws and wholeheartedly endorse all lawful efforts to obstruct it.

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It was not originally my ultimate position! During the Biden administration I was on exactly the opposite side: we have to enforce immigration law, it can't be subject to a heckler's veto, because if the government tells voters they're not allowed to have the immigration laws they want they're just going to elect a different government that allows it. I was heavily considering voting for Nikki Haley if she won the primary, and I think e.g. Canada and the UK are quite wise to see what's happening in the US and be more open to the idea of strict enforcement.

But Trump and his minions have worked hard to radicalize me over the past year, constantly arguing that everyone who personally dislikes Trump should be miserable and fear his wrath. They succeeded, so I no longer respect their authority and support all lawful efforts to obstruct anything they try to do. Perhaps in the future there will be a government I consider legitimate; if they can root out all of the goons Trump planted in DHS, I would endorse their authority to enforce immigration law again.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by dylan604 »

cheeze wrote: post #117
dandellion wrote: post #92

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Can't you just put your phone in a shielded bag, and take it out if you need to use it?

Yes, but this feels like the modern equivalent of wearing a tin foil hat :/

more like the equivalent of wearing a bullet proof vest

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by ceejayoz »

newfriend wrote: post #151
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't care what you think is viable anymore, because the current US immigration enforcement authorities are themselves criminals and murderers. Until Kristi Noem and Greg Bovino are in prison jumpsuits, I will never support the enforcement of US immigration laws and wholeheartedly endorse all lawful efforts to obstruct it.

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That's a very misleading selective quotation.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by gruez »

empath75 wrote: post #88
gruez wrote: post #73

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>One team is a feckless collection of timid hesitators who is trying to defend a social welfare policy from 70 years ago What is this referring to? >and the other team believes their volatile leader is infallible and will direct revenge at whatever they are pointed to by the latest 3am tweet. >It's just not the same. What does this have to do with gp's claim about cycle of reprisals by both parties? It can be simulta…

> What does this have to do with gp's claim about cycle of reprisals by both parties? It can be simultaneously possible to admit that the leader of one party is more sane than the other, and to observe that both parties are engaging in cycles of retaliation when they get in power, and that egging on even more retaliation is going to make the situation worse. I think the reason we are in the situation we are in now is…

>I think the reason we are in the situation we are in now is that the last administration wasn't nearly retaliatory _enough_ after J6

Jailing Hitler sure stopped his movement in its tracks! Or maybe we should have gone even further and set a precedent for to jail people for decades for having "dangerous" political opinions?

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by mothballed »

noncoml wrote: post #83
ActorNightly wrote: post #67

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Hate to break it to you, but people just simply dont care as much as you think they do. We have the right to own firearms for the purposes of protecting us against tyrany, but thats pointless when we cant even realize tyrany right outside our door.

This shows how flawed the idea is that individual gun ownership protects people from a rogue government. Acting alone with a firearm does not stop tyranny. It only leads to prison or worse. Real resistance to authoritarianism has never come from isolated individuals using violence. It requires organized collective action where people stand together and refuse to comply. History shows that meaningful resistance often…

A single gun is useless yet when a deranged asshole used it against children it stopped ~200 cops for 77 minutes. What a wild world we live in.

Are police more incentivized to protect a nebulous state than literal children who live in their same town and who are under their charge? If so I hope we are figuring out how to fix that.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by b40d-48b2-979e »

GaryBluto wrote: post #62
b40d-48b2-979e wrote: post #52

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Only one side is using a federal police force to murder citizens.

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I'm curious why you edited your comment? To appear more rational while making irrational tropes?

    > Only one side

    If you're going to use that tired old trope, maybe Reddit is a more suitable
    place for you. Thanks for reminding me to add it to my blocklist though.
It is not a trope but a statement of fact.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by cdrnsf »

chasd00 wrote: post #127
JKCalhoun wrote: post #97

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Video analysis is depressing: https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis...

I wonder what conclusion the FBI's investigation will come to because it sure doesn't look good for ICE to me. Best case, those two agents get sentenced to life for murder but the damage is done and a life taken. If the officer fired two shots and she died at the scene then it seems reasonable to me the bullets didn't go through the windshield and, instead, went through her rolled down window while she was turning aw…

Given that this administration appointed the head of the FBI due to his loyalty to Trump, the most likely reason they took over the investigation is to shield ICE from any accountability.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #161
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, this concept of "newly assigned martyr" you have is not something that fell from heaven fully formed. It was shaped and given to you by what you call "power centers" - ones which are currently running the United States government! - because they think this framing is beneficial to them. I'm going to stop the conversation here before I start coming up with unwise insults, because it's just infuriating that you…

Who says I can't? In any event, before you go, why, exactly, is it infuriating?

What's infuriating is that you are acting as an agent of the government, defending their murder of a random citizen, but perceive yourself and frame yourself as a dispassionate observer who's interested in the media dynamics of how different descriptors get attached to people. I don't know if you started off like this, or if you're so deep in DHS propaganda that you can't find your way out, and right now I don't care to find out.
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