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Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by JohnFen »

close04 wrote: post #84
JohnFen wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "dangerous things should be prohibited" I never asserted that. I asserted that if a tool is that dangerous, it shouldn't be used on a daily basis. I stand by that. Use it if it solves a problem for you, but intentionally every time, not as a matter of habit or in the background with automation. > It's truly dangerous if it can and does act against your wishes, interests, and reasonable expectations. OneDrive meets…

> I asserted that if a tool is that dangerous, it shouldn't be used on a daily basis Agree to disagree. I will repeat, we are surrounded by dangerous tools that we use on a daily basis. Clearly the "danger" part is not the criteria that defines if or how often you should use the tool. > OneDrive meets those criteria. Correct. But those are my criteria, and I believe they are the ones that carry my argument. Your crit…

> But those are my criteria

Correct, I'm just saying that I think your criteria supports my opinion. As you say, we disagree about this. Fair enough. I'm not telling anyone not to use OneDrive. We all make that sort of decision for ourselves.

All I'm saying is that OneDrive hosed me in a terrible way, so I'm no longer willing to risk using it. Particularly since it doesn't really address any need I have and if I did have such a need, there are better tools (for me) available.

The other dangerous tools you've mentioned haven't ever burned me.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by tracker1 »

lostmsu wrote: post #52
recursivedoubts wrote: post #22

OneDrive is an absolute cancer. I teach Computer Science and my students are constantly accidentally checking their repos out onto onedrive which, of course, makes the performance absolutely atrocious to the point of unusability, and it often affects the weakest students who are most likely to get knocked out of CS by unrelated issues like this. The UI in Windows is intentionally designed to confuse the issue so peop…

This take is weird. Git and OneDrive in a sense both are version control systems. What do you think would happen if you created a Git repository and a SVN repository in the same folder, then proceeded to add files from .git to SVN and let SVN manipulate them? It is not OneDrive's fault that your students don't understand version control.

IMO, instruction should have had the users create a "src" directory under their profile/home directory to use for their repositories, and expressly mention the why's. That said, the fact that OneDrive slurps up Documents, etc. by default instead of an explicit directory, is part of the problem.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by xboxnolifes »

anonymousiam wrote: post #144
xboxnolifes wrote: post #120

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Battlefield, Call of Duty, Apex Legends, PUBG, Rainbow 6 Siege, Fortnite, Valorant, League of Legends, Teamfight Tactics, GTA5 online (and likely gta6 online). Personally, only TFT is a blocker for me, and you can get an inferior version working on linux, but it only takes you playing one of those games for it to be a blocker.

How many of these will not run under Wine/Crossover/Hangover? My guess is that most DRM'ed games won't work right, but they often don't work right under Windows either.

Games "often not working under windows" is cope linux advocates tell themselves to convince themselves there is no reason for anyone to have windows installed. Its more the exception rather than then norm, and is usually the older games where their wine setup could be used on windows for the same effect.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by exographicskip »

juancn wrote: post #33

Windows is not for doing serious stuff anymore, the only remaining use case for me is a gaming PC (if you turn off all the nags, it's pretty decent). I work on a Mac, I run servers on Linux, I game on Windows.

I mostly agree with you. Now with proton/steamos, the only games that need windows are multiplayer games with kernel-level anticheat mechanisms (e.g., destiny 2).

Otherwise, spot-on to my MO

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by exographicskip »

chao- wrote: post #58
juancn wrote: post #33

Windows is not for doing serious stuff anymore, the only remaining use case for me is a gaming PC (if you turn off all the nags, it's pretty decent). I work on a Mac, I run servers on Linux, I game on Windows.

>the only remaining use case for me is a gaming PC More and more it seems people don't even find it necessary for that. I'm "the Linux friend" for a lot of my friends, and over the last year-ish a surprising number of them have asked about advice for switching to Linux. I've helped four people attempt the switch, and three out of the four have stuck with Linux so far.

cachyos has been nearly flawless for a non-steam deck (gpd win mini 2). Upgrades broke my tv being set to the primary display under gamemode but that was an easy fix.

The other game changer (heh) was going all in on amd: cpu, integrated gpu, and discrete gpu via oculink.

Nvidia may be the best overall performance for gaming and ai workloads, it still doesn't play nice with linux gaming

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by exographicskip »

4ggr0 wrote: post #109
juancn wrote: post #33

Windows is not for doing serious stuff anymore, the only remaining use case for me is a gaming PC (if you turn off all the nags, it's pretty decent). I work on a Mac, I run servers on Linux, I game on Windows.

> the only remaining use case for me is a gaming PC even this has gone away for me, exited first with Bazzite and am now on CachyOS. Still got a debloated Windows11 on a different SSD for when friends want to play games with kernel-level anticheat or other bs. feels good to be free of Microsoft. work on a Mac, game on Linux, phones run Android.

Love cachyos. Such a great OS. Wanted to love bazzite, but it's got too many opinionated takes and rpm-ostree is a PITA. pacman does have its pitfalls, but aside from upgrades, it's been appliance-level stable for a 100% gaming laptop docked to my tv

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by bikelang »

tracker1 wrote: post #136
bikelang wrote: post #124

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I’m not sure what distro you used or how long ago this was - but I’ve been using Pop!_os as my general OS + dev env (and more recently switched off Windows to Bazzite for gaming) - and I’ve never once had to battle with audio or weird twiddling with settings to get stuff to work. In my experience - both have had the kind of out-of-the-box experience I’ve come to expect from Windows. If anything - Windows has required…

Try using a Bluetooth headset in online meetings. That's only the tip of the iceberg... Another is when you're trying to mix multiple inputs/outputs in Linux across various pro audio accessories, which only Mac seems to get right.

I use my Bluetooth headset on discord, slack, and google meet without any problems on Pop and Bazzite ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Funny enough - I have less problems with audio on Pop/Bazzite than my Mac (where my headset mic can be muted by flipping up - but is unable to unmute without power cycling the headset) or Windows (which cannot ever remember which device I want to use for which app).

I held off on switching to desktop Linux because of horror stories on places like HN. But it’s seriously not been my lived experience. I can only think that maybe these were problems 5+ years ago - or it’s folks that went with super customized Arch installs or something.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by snielson »

RiverCrochet wrote: post #79
snielson wrote: post #57

I love OneDrive. I don't know why everyone hates it. I save things in OneDrive, and they are backed up to the cloud and synced with the other computers I use. Some computers are shared by six family members, each with their own MS account and 1TB of storage. OneDrive makes it so the computers can have a 1TB hard drive but still give everyone ready access to their files by not storing them all on the hard drive. If I…

I haven't had too many issues with it that I couldn't resolve myself, but I understood what it was and what it was doing on my system. I opted in. I wonder if most of the people who don't like OneDrive didn't know it was enabled. > OneDrive makes it so the computers can have a 1TB hard drive No, it's a 1TB storage account accessible via the Internet, and wholly dependent on a good Internet connection, especially if y…

The "Files-On-Demand" feature of OneDrive makes it possible for everyone in the family to login into any computer with OneDrive and quickly access all their files (I have 500/500 fiber). Because some/most of the files are stored on the cloud and only downloaded when they are accessed, the hard drive of the computer can be smaller (1TB) than the total sum of all the files stored by all the users (6TB). It's very nice. I can also turn off Files-on-Demand and everything will be stored locally on my computer. It sounds like many people are bothered that Files-on-Demand is enabled by default.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by close04 »

JohnFen wrote: post #161
close04 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I asserted that if a tool is that dangerous, it shouldn't be used on a daily basis Agree to disagree. I will repeat, we are surrounded by dangerous tools that we use on a daily basis. Clearly the "danger" part is not the criteria that defines if or how often you should use the tool. > OneDrive meets those criteria. Correct. But those are my criteria, and I believe they are the ones that carry my argument. Your crit…

> But those are my criteria Correct, I'm just saying that I think your criteria supports my opinion. As you say, we disagree about this. Fair enough. I'm not telling anyone not to use OneDrive. We all make that sort of decision for ourselves. All I'm saying is that OneDrive hosed me in a terrible way, so I'm no longer willing to risk using it. Particularly since it doesn't really address any need I have and if I did…

I want to make this very clear, my point is about how we define a “dangerous” tool. It’s not what it can do, it’s how it does it. The real danger is in an untrustworthy tool, in fooling users like OD did.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by p_ing »

shash wrote: post #127
adastra22 wrote: post #126

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Apple has a lot of failings recently. But macOS still has far more claim to “usability” than Windows!

If only because of the fact that the start menu (equivalent - the dock and applications view) isn’t an ad filled react app.

The Start menu is not a React app. It is based in C++ & XAML with a React component.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMJNEFHj8b8&t=287s

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