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All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

#161

I have an idea for a movie. Its kind of an epic idea - more about the characters, story and the feeling. I want to get the idea across as close as possible to what is in my head. AI has given me the opportunity to do it. I just have to keep prompting to get the exact feeling and I can share my idea. I don't like these curmudgeonly takes.. I'm sure this "All AI Videos Are Harmful" take will age just like how "All vide…

While I appreciate your positive experience, if you were unable to write, storyboard, and communicate your idea before AI--than AI is not going to be "the thing" that suddenly turns you into a filmmaker. You're writing anyway, you just call it prompting. If you feel that the AI is giving you back more than what you're putting in with that writing, you have to ask yourself who's vision the result really is.

>if you were unable to write, storyboard, and communicate your idea before AI--than AI is not going to be "the thing" that suddenly turns you into a filmmaker.

The person you are replying to doesn’t say that they couldn’t do these aspects before. In fact they mention that they are able to communicate EXACTLY what they want to AI. The only problem was that their idea is high concept.

Getting a high concept film made is one of the most privileged positions in the world. Practically no one can actually just do this. Even people in the film industry with family connections to producers struggle to get their films made.

You have no idea what you’re asking from people when you tell them they should have just made it.

> You're writing anyway, you just call it prompting. If you feel that the AI is giving you back more than what you're putting in with that writing, you have to ask yourself who's vision the result really is.

They didn’t say that, they said they were getting exactly what they were seeing in their head.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

#162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was involved in a conversation about cheating in video games the other day, and the topic shifted to AI use in music. Someone said, "using AI is like using an aimbot for music." I absolutely love that comparison since it highlights the shortcut past creativity/skill to get a computerized best result while also associating it with blatant cheating. The "enables creativity" argument is ironic since the root of the wo…

Using AI to create music is like having your mom buy you a surfer wardrobe in the 80s/90s even though you lived in landlocked midwest or a skater wardrobe even though you didn't skate.

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Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

#163

If you couldn't have made the story into a short film before AI video then AI video isn't going to suddenly make you a talented film maker. Eventually one day you'll be able to put your vague story idea in and get a fully finished coherent well made movie out but currently if you lacked the talent before you're still lacking the talent today. We know this because actually existing talented film makers have done enter…

It’s ridiculous to say everyone who has an idea for a film could have gotten it made already if they had the skill.

There are endless amounts of people with real skill in the film industry that cannot get their movie made even though they have the connections and the experience. Famous filmmakers even experience this.

Imagine the number of people who couldn’t break into the industry or simply don’t trust it? There are countless people around the world who have fully fleshed out ideas for films that producers won’t finance because literally billions of dollars are going to create ever more Marvel slop.

You’re focusing on one type of person that may or may not have the skills. That’s just one specific scenario, there are many others to weight just as much.

What about all those that do but can’t make it happen because of all the realities of life?

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

#164

One of the arguments I keep seeing from people churning out AI video is that the tech is enabling people "creative freedom" that's been made possible now even without the technical know how. However, 99% of the the "creativity" from what I've seen is done by the AI (how it should look, where the cuts need to happen, the tone, color grading, etc). Which is to say, it's taken from other people's (creative) work. While…

That’s because they don’t know what creativity is.

They believe the idea itself is the creative bit: that thinking of the idea of a dog riding a skateboard is in and of itself a creative act.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

#165

One of the arguments I keep seeing from people churning out AI video is that the tech is enabling people "creative freedom" that's been made possible now even without the technical know how. However, 99% of the the "creativity" from what I've seen is done by the AI (how it should look, where the cuts need to happen, the tone, color grading, etc). Which is to say, it's taken from other people's (creative) work. While…

It's not like these discussions haven't have quite a lot of precedence. I bought a 4-track tape "portastudio" back in the 90s, but it didn't make me a good producer- years of playing music with dozens of groups did that. And I bought a canon xl1, but that didn't make the movies I was making more compelling than if I'd had budget to shoot on 16mm.

Creativity and good craft come from struggling to communicate an idea; anything that short circuits that will make you a worse artists.

AI is, to me, like claming that because you have access to a forklift going to the gym is no longer useful- you're missing both the aesthetic and material reasons why folks have been doing things.

What's worse- people claim a forklift is better than, say, working out and then say to the folks who were working out "this is what you're doing and it is dumb to spend all that effort doing it". That's nothing new either- I get why folks look at a lot of my early, cracked FruityLoop-based work from 2002 with some disdain-- it misses all of the nuances and trade-craft knowledge that I gained playing in bands over the following 20 years.

And I know how it sounds because I can hear it in the products of other young musicians: I play a lot of jazz with kids in their 20s who have way better chops than I ever will and who have a lot of the real book memorized. That real book allows them to pick up the tunes super fast, but they don't have a lot of the nuance that the 70 year olds I sometimes get to play with have in their playing.

I use AI for the dumbest stuff, like writing contracts for mechanical licensing. It's shit, because I'm just looking to copy some already-written document without paying a lawyer. I can't see see why folks would -want- to use it to make documents that no one else had previously thought would be worth writing and to me it very much seems like it can only produce, by definition, derivative works.

Musicians are terrible about that. I love being in a cover band, because I usually like the people and playing. But absent that, simply being able to "poof here's 'your' cover of Stariway" seems super boring, almost soul crushing.

And paying AI do the creative parts- that's like paying someone to have sex with my partner because I wanted to spend my nights playing video games instead of woodshedding on pedal steel guitar :D

All that is to say- I agree.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

#166
Reading your messages, I've come to the personal conclusion that we live in an age of misunderstanding. We're incapable of reaching any useful, consensual agreements.

This holds us back, halting progress that could be truly positive for humanity, because having a society that's moving in opposite directions keeps us stagnant.

This has been going on for far too many years.

Let AI users use it. And let's train those who are defenseless against this advancement so they can decide for themselves.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

#167
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was involved in a conversation about cheating in video games the other day, and the topic shifted to AI use in music. Someone said, "using AI is like using an aimbot for music." I absolutely love that comparison since it highlights the shortcut past creativity/skill to get a computerized best result while also associating it with blatant cheating. The "enables creativity" argument is ironic since the root of the wo…

The purpose of music is (usually) to touch people emotionally. If it works, it works. Doesn't matter how it was made. There is no cheating when there is feeling. Generic AI music so far does not touch me. I might tolerate it in the background, but I know there is great music being made with the help of AI. (Which is different from letting the AI do it all) An aimbot in competive playing is indeed cheating and sucks t…

"The purpose of games is (usually) to win. If it works, it works. Doesn't matter how you won. There is no cheating when there is winning."

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

#168

I have a huge beef with AI on YouTube. It's clear that plenty are doing the following: - find a random topic tied to their channel, e.g. some battle in Napoleonic wars - have Perplexity do as much research on the topic - have AI write a script for 20 minutes of it based on research - genAI images and video content - genAI the voiceover - profit I hate it. It's not even terrible content, nor it's not informative, but…

AI content should be required by law to be flagged and described how the AI was used. It's bullshit when a channel pops up with a known person sitting facing the camera speaking for 20 minutes and it turns out to be entirely AI generated. The person in question not involved, the textual/spoken content is not their work, etc.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

#169

okay. and? tilt at this windmill all you like, but the genie is out of the bottle and there's nothing you can do about it but kvetch. you can't ban it, you can't regulate it, no more than the US government could rein in cryptography.

Did cryptography or Toy story 3D animation make every human need to question the reality of any electronic audio or video they encounter, no matter how realistic? Did cryptography make me have to train my parents not to trust my own voice if I make strange asks like money? There is a lot more to do for each other as a society to adjust to the new normal of AI, than just complain. Awareness and realignment are critica…

>cryptography

cryptography enables spies, terrorists, criminals, and dissidents to communicate over any network with absolute impunity. if it was feasible, every government in the world would have banned or "regulated" it, as some had attempted to. but in the end, they had conceded defeat, and the world had not ended.

>make every human need to question the reality of any electronic audio or video they encounter, no matter how realistic?

you left out "images", which we learned to question decades ago. likewise, audio and video could also be manipulated with readily available, completely unregulated tools, to produce quite believable results.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

#170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Artistically not relevant enough to justify the downsides

There’s no “justifying” anything - the tech is here. Even if you ban it globally, it would actually stop be here and would still be able to cause harm - it would just not be able to be used for good either.

The technology is currently being heavily subsidized and made widely available. If we decided to ban it globally things would look very different. Would it be worthwhile for scammers to run a massive server farm and spend thousands on training and generation? Maybe? It would certainly reduce the quantity.
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