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2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by butlike »

antisthenes wrote: post #106
Aurornis wrote: post #68

I did a clean install of Windows 11 when Windows 10 went EOL. From all of the complaints I was hearing from headlines I expected a disastrous experience. But to be honest, it’s been fine. I’m not a heavy user but I switch to the Windows PC at least once a day for a few hours of CAD, gaming, and one other engineering program that is Windows only. I don’t click any of the AI buttons. I declined the OneDrive or backup s…

> I’m not a heavy user but I switch to the Windows PC at least once a day for a few hours of CAD, gaming, and one other engineering program that is Windows only. Well yeah, maybe lead with that. It seems like you don't actually need windows other than being a launcher for some very specific apps.

Isn't that all an OS is? A platform to launch apps?

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by drnick1 »

Aurornis wrote: post #68

I did a clean install of Windows 11 when Windows 10 went EOL. From all of the complaints I was hearing from headlines I expected a disastrous experience. But to be honest, it’s been fine. I’m not a heavy user but I switch to the Windows PC at least once a day for a few hours of CAD, gaming, and one other engineering program that is Windows only. I don’t click any of the AI buttons. I declined the OneDrive or backup s…

If you really must use Windows and Linux is not an option at all for some reason, use a debloating script to remove/disable (most of) the AI cruft and telemetry.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by buccal »

RiverCrochet wrote: post #96
Aurornis wrote: post #68

I did a clean install of Windows 11 when Windows 10 went EOL. From all of the complaints I was hearing from headlines I expected a disastrous experience. But to be honest, it’s been fine. I’m not a heavy user but I switch to the Windows PC at least once a day for a few hours of CAD, gaming, and one other engineering program that is Windows only. I don’t click any of the AI buttons. I declined the OneDrive or backup s…

Is it Win11 Pro? I'm wondering if it's different than Win11 Home. A friend of mine got a new PC as a present and it had Win11 on it. Found out it was Win11 Pro. I turned it on without it connected to my router, used the Shift+F10 trick to bypass OOBE and setup a local account, and ran a debloat script, and things seemed OK. The debloat script had removal commands for a lot of default apps and I think only the Xbox on…

You ran unverified debloat scripts (that could break in unexpected ways) on a clean "Pro" system to make it usable. It is and should be unacceptable.

By the way, Home version does not differ in annoyances from Pro version in any significant way in my experience.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by Spivak »

ksynwa wrote: post #142

For me the strange and unproductive direction Windows is going towards in encapsulated in the right-click menu in the file manager (Explorer). 11 has a shiny new menu that shows up when you right click. But it is a new coat of paint over the ones from 10 or before. Additional options from for example 7zip don't show up in it. You have to click "more options" at the bottom which them reveals the old menu. There is no…

> But it is a new coat of paint over the ones from 10 or before

It's not, which is the point. They're trying to get people off the old way of extending the shell. If they just wanted to reskin the right click menu to look "modern" they could have done that.

https://blogs.windows.com/blog/2021/07/19/extending-the-cont...

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by robocat »

samiv wrote: post #54

I've been preaching this for a while but the era of PC as in "personal computing" is coming to an end and will slowly but surely be replaced with CC, Corporate Computing, where the corporations own everything, the hardware, the software and only permit you to use their equipment against a monthly fee and only to the extent they allow and permit. Everything you do will be controlled and observed and extracted for data…

Why don't laptop manufacturers deliver models with Linux?

I presume the problem is that users cause support costs?

Or that Linux and App updates cause costs?

Windows users have many support issues, however the users don't blame the laptop manufacturer?

I guess Chromebooks serve that market. And Google allow Linux installs on Chromebooks (helps attack Windows instalbase, but too little)

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

Someone just gave me a used computer with pre-installed Windows 10 Home

I have not had a non-work computer running Windows to play with in several decades

It has enough RAM that I can boot UNIX-like OS with rootfs mounted as tmpfs. This is how I prefer to run UNIX-like OS

Not interested in connecting a non-work computer running Windows to the internet but it might be useful for offline usage

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by reeredfdfdf »

I don't hate Windows 11, I just don't give a shit about it. I can run nearly any software I might possibly need professionally on MacOS or Linux. The latter is also so good at gaming, that I don't really need Windows for that either.

At this point, Windows is just something I occasionally dual boot from my laptop, for the rare piece of software that I can't use on MacOS or Linux easily.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by utilize1808 »

Glawen wrote: post #150
ksynwa wrote: post #142

For me the strange and unproductive direction Windows is going towards in encapsulated in the right-click menu in the file manager (Explorer). 11 has a shiny new menu that shows up when you right click. But it is a new coat of paint over the ones from 10 or before. Additional options from for example 7zip don't show up in it. You have to click "more options" at the bottom which them reveals the old menu. There is no…

Nice to mention that this new menu takes ages to appear, on my computer I can wait 5s until it is rendered and I can finally click on more options...

I remember seeing some tech vlogger discovering that the lag was due to a bug where the fade-in animation of the menu not being played properly, and the menu just "appear" after the missing animation, leading to the feeling of sluggish interaction.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by cheschire »

newsoftheday wrote: post #139
cheschire wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When things randomly break in my Linux install, I fire up Claude

Are you saying that any Linux install you've tried in let's say, the past decade, has actually failed for you? I've not seen that and I've put it on many dissimilar machines with success. I use Ubuntu, and now Kubuntu, perhaps you could name the distro that gave you issues?

Ehh, nothing so strong as "failed". For example in Cinnamon I will occasionally install an app that doesn't have a tray icon. Or if I install an app using a chromium based browser, it doesn't have an icon associated with it. So then I tell claude to fix it. It goes out to the internet and finds a suitable icon and will set it up for me.

Or trying to get Steam to work, which is wildly better than it used to be thanks to proton, but still not quite a perfect experience. For example there's a menu compatibility setting you have to enable for some menus to work, and other menus don't work when you have hover-click enabled in the accessibility settings of Cinnamon. Those weren't fixed by Claude CLI like the icons example, but definitely identified through chats with Claude.

The only "fail" states I get into are when I'm doing homelab power user stuff, setting up ownCloud, configuring Caddy, proxmox, etc. I don't blame Linux for that though.

All in all, I would say Linux is absolutely in a state I would install on my parents' computer without fear like I would've had in perhaps 2010.

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