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Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by einr »

Arainach wrote: post #159
6r17 wrote: post #134

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Tbh i'm starting to think that I do not see microsoft being able to keep it's position in the OS market ; with steam doing all the hard work and having a great market to play with ; the vast distributions to choose from, and most importantly how easy it has become to create an operating system from scratch - they not only lost all possible appeal, they seem stuck on really weird fetichism with their taskbar and just…

Kernel improvements are interesting to geeks and data centers, but open source is fundamentally incompatible with great user experience. Great UX requires a lot of work that is hard but not algorithmically challenging. It requires consistency and getting many stakeholders to buy in. It requires spending lots of time on things that will never be used by more than 10-20% of people. Windows got a proper graphics composi…

…and you are implying that Microsoft Windows 11 is a better example of ”great user experience”?

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by jpalawaga »

cogman10 wrote: post #142
ndriscoll wrote: post #117

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The goals of the people mandating Secure Boot are completely opposed to the goals of people who want to decide what software they run on the computer they own. Literally the entire point of remote attestation is to take that choice away from you (e.g. because they don't want you to choose to run cheating software). It's not a matter of "no one stepped up"; it's that Epic Games isn't going to trust my secure boot key…

And all this came from big game makers turning their games into casinos. The reason they want everything locked down is money is on the line.

anti-cheat far precedes the casinoification of modern games.

nobody wants to play games that are full of bots. cheaters will destroy your game and value proposition.

anti-cheat is essentially existential for studios/publishers that rely on multiplayer gaming.

So yes, the second half of your statement is true. The first half--not so much.

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by max-privatevoid »

dabockster wrote: post #100
7bit wrote: post #56

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And behind on a lot of stuff. The Microsoft's ACLs are nothing short of one of the best designed permission systems there are. On the surface, they are as simple as Linux UOG/rwx stuff if you want it to be, but you can really, REALLY dive into the technology and apply super specific permissions.

Oh yeah for sure. Linux is amazing in a computer science sense, but it still can't beat Windows' vertically integrated registry/GPO based permissions system. Group/Local Policy especially, since it's effectively a zero coding required system. Ubuntu just recently got a way to automate its installer (recently being during covid). I think you can do the same on RHEL too. But that's largely it on Linux right now. If you…

I'm surprised no one has said NixOS yet.

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by butlike »

jandrese wrote: post #148
7bit wrote: post #56

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And behind on a lot of stuff. The Microsoft's ACLs are nothing short of one of the best designed permission systems there are. On the surface, they are as simple as Linux UOG/rwx stuff if you want it to be, but you can really, REALLY dive into the technology and apply super specific permissions.

> The Microsoft's ACLs are nothing short of one of the best designed permission systems there are. You have a hardened Windows 11 system. A critical application was brought forward from a Windows 10 box but it failed, probably a permissions issue somewhere. Debug it and get it working. You can not try to pass this off to the vendor, it is on you to fix it. Go.

and why is it not on the vendor of the critical application?

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by nunez »

7bit wrote: post #56
asveikau wrote: post #38

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I was at Microsoft during the Windows 8 cycle. I remember hearing about a kernel feature I found interesting. Then I found linux had it for a few years at the time. I think the reality is that Linux is ahead on a lot of kernel stuff. More experimentation is happening.

And behind on a lot of stuff. The Microsoft's ACLs are nothing short of one of the best designed permission systems there are. On the surface, they are as simple as Linux UOG/rwx stuff if you want it to be, but you can really, REALLY dive into the technology and apply super specific permissions.

The file permission system on Windows allows for super granular permissions, yes; administrating those permissions was a massive pain, especially on Windows file servers.

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by theLiminator »

layer8 wrote: post #154
theLiminator wrote: post #147

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Imagine if windows moved to the linux kernel and then used wine/proton to serve their own userspace.

The Linux kernel and Windows userspace are not very well matched on a fundamental level. I’m not sure we should be looking forward to that, other than for running games and other insular apps.

Ah, I was being facetious, I think it would be pretty funny if it happened though.

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Post by 7bit »

jandrese wrote: post #148
7bit wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And behind on a lot of stuff. The Microsoft's ACLs are nothing short of one of the best designed permission systems there are. On the surface, they are as simple as Linux UOG/rwx stuff if you want it to be, but you can really, REALLY dive into the technology and apply super specific permissions.

> The Microsoft's ACLs are nothing short of one of the best designed permission systems there are. You have a hardened Windows 11 system. A critical application was brought forward from a Windows 10 box but it failed, probably a permissions issue somewhere. Debug it and get it working. You can not try to pass this off to the vendor, it is on you to fix it. Go.

Procmon.exe. Give me 2 minutes. You make it sound like it's such a difficult thing to do. It literally will not take me more than 2 minutes to tell you exactly where the permission issue is and how to fix it.

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Post by cogman10 »

jpalawaga wrote: post #162
cogman10 wrote: post #142

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And all this came from big game makers turning their games into casinos. The reason they want everything locked down is money is on the line.

anti-cheat far precedes the casinoification of modern games. nobody wants to play games that are full of bots. cheaters will destroy your game and value proposition. anti-cheat is essentially existential for studios/publishers that rely on multiplayer gaming. So yes, the second half of your statement is true. The first half--not so much.

> anti-cheat far precedes the casinoification of modern games.

> nobody wants to play games that are full of bots. cheaters will destroy your game and value proposition.

You are correct, but I think I did a bad job of communicating what I meant. It's true that anti-cheat has been around since forever. However, what's changed relatively recently is anti-cheat integrated into the kernel alongside requirements for signed kernels and secure boot. This dates back to 2012, right as games like Battlefield started introducing gambling mechanics into their games.

There were certainly other games that had some gambly aspects to them, but 2010s is pretty close to where esports along with in game gambling was starting to bud.

Re: Meta is using the Linux scheduler designed for Valve's Steam Deck on its servers

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Post by the_pwner224 »

baq wrote: post #99
Fiveplus wrote: post #17

Valve is practically singlehandedly dragging the Linux ecosystem forward in areas that nobody else wanted to touch. They needed Windows games to run on Linux so we got massive Proton/Wine advancements. They needed better display output for the deck and we got HDR and VRR support in wayland. They also needed smoother frame pacing and we got a scheduler that Zuck is now using to run data centers. Its funny to think tha…

I low key hope the current DDR5 prices push them to drag the Linux memory and swap management into the 21st century, too, because hard locking on low memory got old a while ago

It takes a solid 45 seconds for me to enable zram (compressed RAM as swap) on a fresh Arch install. I know that doesn't solve the issue for 99% of people who don't even know what zram is / have no idea how to do it / are trying to do it for the first time, but it would be pretty easy for someone to enable that in a distro. I wouldn't be shocked if it is already enabled by default in Ubuntu or Fedora.
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