At what point does the top brass at Flock get arrested?
They won’t under this administration. It’s owned and operated by Surveillance Valley Vulture Capitalists
Why do people avoid saying President Trump like he’s Voldemort?
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Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves
#162flock is the most heinous reflection of the ills of our current socioeconomic structure. absolutely nobody should be okay with mass surveillance, much less mass surveillance enabled by a private company.
It's what happens when we rank private property over human lives. We deserve this.
Surveillance technology doesn't stop property crime, so it isn't a tradeoff question.
The necessary and sufficient steps to stop property crime are:
1. Secure the stuff.
2. Take repeat criminals off the street.
Against random 'crime of opportunity' with new parties nothing but proactive security is particularly effective because even if you catch the person after the fact the damage is already done. The incentive to commit a crime comes from the combination of the opportunity and the deterrence-- and not everyone is responsive to deterrence so controlling the opportunity is critical.
Against repeated or organized criminals nothing but taking them out of society is very effective. Because they are repeated extensive surveillance is not required-- eventually they'll be caught even if not in the first instance. If you fail to take them off the streets no amount of surveillance will ever help, as they'll keep doing it again and again.
Many repeat criminals are driven by mental illness, stupidity, emotional regulation, or sometimes desperation. They're committing crimes at all because for whatever reason they're already not responding to all the incentives not to. Adding more incentives not to has a minor effect at most.
The conspiratorially minded might wonder if the failure to enforce and incarcerate for property crime in places like California isn't part of a plot to manufacture consent for totalitarian surveillance. But sadly, life isn't a movie plot-- it would be easier to fight against a plot rather than just collective failure and incompetence. In any case, many many people have had the experience of having video or know exactly who the criminal is only to have police, prosecutors, or the court do absolutely nothing about it. But even when they do-- it pretty much never undoes the harm of the crime.
Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
And let me share this reply by Garry Tan, CEO of YC, after someone made a comment that Flock might be _pretty dystopian_ [1][2]: > You're thinking Chinese surveillance > US-based surveillance helps victims and prevents more victims [1] https://x.com/neurajordan/status/1963303084609966288 [2] https://x.com/garrytan/status/1963310592615485955
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Why did my low-crime red town in a red state buy into flock?
Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves
#164I'm not sure if it's better or worse to have it publicly accessible or only accessible to an elite group.
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#165Flock is cooked. They didn’t even implement basic security features for an extremely sensitive database. More ammo for those of us trying to get our local authorities to cut ties with this disgusting excuse for a startup.
Have breaches like this had a meaningful impact on businesses before? If there has been a case where the public cared , and the business was terminated, it’s definitely been an exception to the rule.
Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves
#166At what point does the top brass at Flock get arrested?
Should we also arrest computer co execs because computers are used to hack into things?
Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
They won’t under this administration. It’s owned and operated by Surveillance Valley Vulture Capitalists
Why do people avoid saying President Trump like he’s Voldemort?
Because he attained his current position by ragebaiting everyone. He’s just a puppet of the people who are really in charge (intelligence agencies and billionaires)
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#168Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves
#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're probably being facetious, but aiding criminals isn't illegal unless you're knowingly doing it. Signal is known to be used by criminals, and on top their app is specifically designed to frustrate law enforcement, yet they stayed clear of lawsuits.
Not the same at all because Signal helps celebrities and very important public figures communicate securely and privately. Flock is helping the rapists stalk their ex-wives.
"Not the same at all because Flock helps companies and public safety agencies detect and monitor crime.
Signal is helping cartels organize hits."
Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves
#170Flock is cooked. They didn’t even implement basic security features for an extremely sensitive database. More ammo for those of us trying to get our local authorities to cut ties with this disgusting excuse for a startup.
Have breaches like this had a meaningful impact on businesses before? If there has been a case where the public cared , and the business was terminated, it’s definitely been an exception to the rule.
We’ll see. Benn Jordan is doing the Lords work and providing a lot of evidence peopl can bring along to their local council meetings.