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Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by notahacker »

sylware wrote: post #66
notahacker wrote: post #28

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Yeah, not really sure how a globally distributed manufacturing operation with a complex supply chain and customers all over the world that need access to data for their operations is supposed to function effectively without it. (and I say that as someone that used to sell commercial aviation data that came on CDs...)

I don't think this is related to that "critical" stuff. It seems there is a misunderstanding over the classification of 'critical' stuff. We may all have a very different definition. All I know: the second your are connected to internet, you are cooked.

I'm not sure what the 'critical' stuff is either or what the details of Airbus' network hosting and knowledge compartmentalization strategy is, but you're not going to run a globally distributed manufacturing business with complex supply and maintenance requirements without having technical specs, CAD files, diagnostic criteria customer records etc sitting on computers connected to the internet.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by re-thc »

strangegecko wrote: post #133
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #103

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> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Using this logic, every country should develop its own critical equipment from scratch, in terms of both hardware and software. My belief is that there is no problem with the Chinese equipment, just scare-mongering from the US because it has no manufa…

China is decidedly anti democratic and authoritarian. They're also preparing for military activities to expand their territory. It's not that each country needs to develop their own, but it is prudent to not depend on those who have a fundamentally different and incompatible world view.

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Post by andsoitis »

ulfw wrote: post #143
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #103

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> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Using this logic, every country should develop its own critical equipment from scratch, in terms of both hardware and software. My belief is that there is no problem with the Chinese equipment, just scare-mongering from the US because it has no manufa…

We can see the same with everything in the US. Huawei became very competitive to Apple. Outsold Apple in it's home market. Huawei got banned. DJI has a near monopoly on drones. No US company could compete and players like GoPro shut down their consumer drone projects. DJI got/is about to get banned. Tiktok was dangerous to Meta. TikTok got almost banned/forced-sold. Chinese EVs are better than almost any US offering.…

> Huawei became very competitive to Apple. Huawei got banned.

How would you explain Samsung, LG, Sony, etc.?

> DJI got banned.

Untrue.

Supply is constrained and future of new product availability is uncertain because of FY2025 National Defesnse Authorization ACt, which requires a security audit by late Dec 2025. If that doesn't happen, DJI could automatically be added to the FCC's restricted list, which could block new products from being certified and sold in the US.

In the meantime, for sale at Best Buy, Adorama, B&H, Walmart, etc. e.g. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1737927-REG/dji_cp_ma...

> Sale of AI and Chips to China got banned.

Your argument is that US tech companies do not have the ability to compete, but this example doesn't support your claim; in fact it does the opposite.

But even so, your information is out of date. Nvidia is now allowed to sell its advanced H200 AI chips to China. The whiplash is dumb, but the move is aimed at maintaining US AI leadership, support American jobs, while addressing concerns about China's military AI development.

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Post by jrochkind1 »

mlrtime wrote: post #111
saubeidl wrote: post #92

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Their VP and one of their government-linked oligarchs is meeting with literal Neonazis in Germany that are trying to topple the constitutional order: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/14/jd-vance-afd-meetin... To say they're not anti-Europe is either hopelessly naive or cynically ideologically aligned with their goals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany AFG are Neonazis?

From the wikipedia article you just linked to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany#Neo-Na...

and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany#German...

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by Ray20 »

Lapel2742 wrote: post #87
pembrook wrote: post #83

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Europe should be building domestic digital capacity regardless (and not just servers) but saying it needs to treat the US like China is a bit melodramatic given the economic and physical threat to Europe is 10X greater in the east. The US is not anti-Europe. The US has just begun to start evaluating its relationship with Europe rationally and wants it to grow up beyond the post-WW2 training wheels. The overreaction t…

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Post by pembrook »

alphager wrote: post #101
pembrook wrote: post #93

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They did not, this is all political ragebait journalism and memes.

Disbanding the EU is an official goal of the new US security strategy.

It is not. I know the media has pushed this ragebait to get engagement from you, but you can literally read the official policy document.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by tormeh »

TrickyRick wrote: post #75
esperent wrote: post #58

It seems every single comment in the thread is understanding "cloud" here to mean AWS vs Hetzner. But it's clear from the first paragraph of the article that what they actually mean is MS 365 Dynamics vs SAP. They primarily want a managed ERP + CRM solution, not servers.

SAP needs servers though, if they buy SAP hosted in AWS that kind of defeats the purpose.

Indeed. And SAP has no cooperation with any European cloud providers, afaik. It's the big three plus alibaba. SAP wants to move away from on-prem, but I guess it has a solution for critical applications. Maybe that can be shoehorned onto OVH or something.

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Post by adamcharnock »

In case any SME-sized companies here are wanting to do something similar but are looking askance at the risk/investment/hiring required, then we'd [0] love to talk to you.

We specialise in doing this but on a smaller scale. Eg. 10-100 person companies that have 0-to-a-few DevOps engineers. Included is DevOps time each month to use as you wish, we're on call for SLAs, around 50% reduced cost vs AWS/Google/Azure, etc.

Somewhat differently to most, we deploy onto bare metal. In addition to dropping costs we typically see at least a 2x speed-up overall. Once client just reported a 80% reduction in processing time.

CTOs like us because we're always on-hand via Slack (plus we're the ones getting woken up in the night), and CFOs like us because billing becomes consistent.

Anyway, blatant pitch complete.

[0]: https://lithus.eu/

adam@ above domain

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Post by blibble »

Lapel2742 wrote: post #128
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #115

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> It was supposed to be something akin to United States of Europe No, it never was. > but instead in devolved into a bureaucracy No it hasn't: "There are two striking aspects of this rejection of EU bureaucracy. First, in comparison with other, comparable entities, such as the US federal bureaucracy, the EU’s administrative apparatus has a marginal size. Specifically, the EU, which is responsible for more than 440 mi…

> There are two striking aspects of this rejection of EU bureaucracy. First, in comparison with other, comparable entities, such as the US federal bureaucracy, the EU’s administrative apparatus has a marginal size. Specifically, the EU, which is responsible for more than 440 million citizens, employs only around 60,000 people, while the US federal bureaucracy has more than two million employees that govern a territory with about 330 million inhabitants.

that's because the EU co-opted existing member state agencies instead of creating its own

e.g. the german federal department of agriculture effectively is controlled by the EU (almost all of its duties are an EU competence), but 100% of its costs are attributed to germany

this makes the EU look much more efficient than it is

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Post by microtonal »

pembrook wrote: post #99
jamesblonde wrote: post #94

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They control Europe's digital infrastructure and are able to increase rent to usurous levels (tarrifs!) because Europe is dependent on their digital services. Without digital sovereignty, Europe has no sovereignty and will quickly become a modern colony from which wealth will be extracted.

The reason the US is able to raise rents (tariffs) has nothing to do with Europe buying US digital services. The tariffs are on European exports. The problem is Europe has a weak domestic consumer market and is dependent on selling stuff to the US, not buying from them.

The EU has a services deficit compared to the US, the US has a goods deficit compared to Europe. Together, they are almost in balance, the difference is just 3% of total trade [1]. Put differently, the US and the EU need each other. This is why Trump is using footguns.

[1] https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-cou...

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