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1.5 TB of VRAM on Mac Studio – RDMA over Thunderbolt 5

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Re: 1.5 TB of VRAM on Mac Studio – RDMA over Thunderbolt 5

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For Apple, datacenter stuff is low margin business

Considering that Apple is moving away from Linux in the datacenter to its own devices, I'm not sure that's the case. The apple machines aren't available to the consumer (they're rack-mounted, dozens of chips per PCB board, custom-made machines) but they're much less power-hungry, just as fast (or more so), much cheaper for them to make rather than buy, and natively support their own ecosystem. Some of the machine-des…

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Re: 1.5 TB of VRAM on Mac Studio – RDMA over Thunderbolt 5

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For a company that has repeatedly ignored macOS, your wishlist seems anything but a pipe dream. QSFP on a mac. Yeah right. If anything, they’ll double down on TB or some nonstandard interconnect. What is a computer? (Although, I do hope with the new work on supporting RDMA, the MLX5 driver shipped with macOS will finally support RDMA for ConnectX NICs ) https://kittenlabs.de/blog/2024/05/17/25gbit/s-on-macos-ios/

QSFP makes sense on a MacPro platform - and might be where Apple chooses to differentiate (one could dream of an M5 Mega, with four chiplets). The Mac Studio is a general purpose compact workstation that doesn’t need ludicrously fast networking beyond what 10Gbe and TB5 offer. It’s already overkill for the vast majority of users. Top configuration Studios are already a niche product.

Apple already ships an MLX5 driver for ConnectX NICs.

Re: 1.5 TB of VRAM on Mac Studio – RDMA over Thunderbolt 5

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Seems like I remember the main reason Macs survived as a product at all was because you needed one to develop for iOS. That may be an exaggeration but there certainly was a time when Macs were few and far between outside of creative shops. Certainly they were almost unseen in the corporate world, where now they are fairly common at least in laptops.

Macs survived because Apple got a cash injection, survived long enough to come out with colorful iMacs with an hockey puck mouse, still running on Mac OS 8, and the iPod. Requiring one for doing iOS development they were already back into the green.

It’s a myth that the “cash injection” from Microsoft saved Apple.

Microsoft gave Apple $250 million. The next quarter Apple turned around and spent $100 million on PowerComputing’s Mac assets.

Apple lost over a billion more before it became profitable. The $150 Net wouldn’t have been make or break.

Now Microsoft promising to keep Office on the Mac was a big deal

Re: 1.5 TB of VRAM on Mac Studio – RDMA over Thunderbolt 5

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I wonder what motivates apple to release features like RDMA which are purely useful for server clusters, while ignoring basic qol stuff like remote management or rack mount hardware. It’s difficult to see it as a cohesive strategy. Makes one wonder what apple uses for their own servers. I guess maybe they have some internal M-series server product they just haven’t bothered to release to the public, and features like…

Do they run any of their own datacenter stuff ? I thought they just outsourced to GCP

They outsource to GCP and AWS. An Apple executive has been on stage at ReInvent for the past couple of years

Re: 1.5 TB of VRAM on Mac Studio – RDMA over Thunderbolt 5

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The thermal design is irrelevant, and people saying they want insane power density are, in my personal view, deluded ridiculous individuals who understand very very little. Overclocking long ago was an amazing saintly act, milking a lot of extra performance that was just there waiting, without major downsides to take. But these days, chips are usually already well tuned. You can feed double or tripple the power into…

> Overclocking long ago was an amazing saintly act, milking a lot of extra performance that was just there waiting, without major downsides to take. Back when you bought a 233 Mhz chip with ram at 66 Mhz, ran the bus at 100 Mhz which also increased your ram speed if it could handle it, and everything was faster. > But these days, chips are usually already well tuned. You can feed double or tripple the power into the…

Initially, thermal throttling was a safety valve for a failure condition. A way to cripple performance briefly so as not to let the magic blue smoke out. Only a terrible PC would be thermal throttling out of the box; Only neglectful owners who failed to clean filters, had thermal throttling happening routinely.

That's not how it works any more.

Many of these CPUs both at the high end and even a few tiers down from the top, are thermal throttling whenever they hit 100% utilization. I'm thinking of Intel's last couple generations particularly. They're shipped with pretty good heatsinks, but not nearly good enough to run stock clocks on all cores at once. Instead, smarter grades of thermal throttling are designed for for routine use to balance loads. Better heatsinks (and watercooling) help a bit, but not enough, you end up hitting a wall; Only the risky process of delidding seems to push further. We're running into limitations on how well a conventional heatsink can transfer the heat from a limited contact patch.

GPUs seem to have more effective heatsinks, and are bottlenecked mostly by power requirements. The 600 watt monsters are already melting cables that aren't in perfect condition.

Re: 1.5 TB of VRAM on Mac Studio – RDMA over Thunderbolt 5

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Would you please mind leaving some RAM to remain available for purchase at an affordable price for us mere mortals ? 1Tb for what, like, "Come on AI, make the humankind happy now"? /"s"

AI bubble will do wonders for used RAM prices when it pops.

There is no popping. We cannot have enough compute for the forseeable future.

Re: 1.5 TB of VRAM on Mac Studio – RDMA over Thunderbolt 5

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Ah, good point. Though if splitter cables are an option, then it seems more likely that the 50G ports could be combined into a 200G cable. Marvell's product brief for that switch chip does say it's capable of operating as an 8x 200G or 4x 400G switch, but Mikrotik may need to do something on their end to enable that configuration.

You’re talking about link aggregation (LACP) here, which requires specific settings on both the switch and client machine to enable, as well as multiple ports on the client machine (in your example, multiple 50Gbps ports). So while it’s likely possible to combine 50Gbps ports like you describe, that’s not what I was referring to.

No, I'm not talking about LACP, I'm talking about configuring four 50Gb links on the switch to operate as a single 200Gb link as if those links were wired up to a single QSFP connector instead of four individual SFP connectors.

The switch in question has eight 50Gb ports, and the switch silicon apparently supports configurations that use all of its lanes in groups of four to provide only 200Gb ports. So it might be possible with the right (non-standard) configuration on the switch to be able to use a four-way breakout cable to combine four of the 50Gb ports from the switch into a single 200Gb connection to a client device.

Re: 1.5 TB of VRAM on Mac Studio – RDMA over Thunderbolt 5

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Ah, good point. Though if splitter cables are an option, then it seems more likely that the 50G ports could be combined into a 200G cable. Marvell's product brief for that switch chip does say it's capable of operating as an 8x 200G or 4x 400G switch, but Mikrotik may need to do something on their end to enable that configuration.

I'm not trolling here: Do you think that Marvell sells the chips wholesale buy the vendor buys the feature set (IP/drivers/whatever)? That would allow Marvell to effectively sell the same silicon but segment the market depending upon what buyers needs. Example: A buyer might need a config that is just a bunch of 50GB/s ports and another 100GB/s ports and another a mix. (I'm thinking about blowing fuses in the manuf p…

I think if Marvell were doing that, they would have more part numbers in their catalog.
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