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After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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As someone of Turkish origin with Kurdish, Bulgarian, and Greek roots (somehow my genes don't fight each other!), I'm deeply saddened by the current state of the region. Growing up in western Turkey, I didn't give much thought to the eastern part of the country, let alone Iran. Funnily, my first real interactions with Iranian culture didn't happen until I moved to Germany. Aside from their cuisine being the only one…

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Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

#162

As someone of Turkish origin with Kurdish, Bulgarian, and Greek roots (somehow my genes don't fight each other!), I'm deeply saddened by the current state of the region. Growing up in western Turkey, I didn't give much thought to the eastern part of the country, let alone Iran. Funnily, my first real interactions with Iranian culture didn't happen until I moved to Germany. Aside from their cuisine being the only one…

You don't think Iran's situation is also mostly its own doing?

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran has 3 million illegal immigrants, FYI. (Or had; they recently implemented mass deportations.) Immigration inflow is caused by lax border control, not by being a great place to live. No matter how bad it is, there's always someone worse off willing to try their luck.

3 million from where? Is that by any chance refugees from the collapse of nearby Syria?

Afghanistan [1]. Most Syrians ended up in Europe I assume.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghans_in_Iran

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't presume to put words in my mouth. No one is claiming that military activities is all that Iran does. But the reality is they do choose spend a fortune on military aggression. These are optional activities. They could choose to stop and devote those resources to civilian infrastructure if they wanted to.

The comment that starts this chain is quite literally "A country that invests all of his money on nuclear weapons"

And you took that literally as apposed to a common figure of speech?

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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post #162

As someone of Turkish origin with Kurdish, Bulgarian, and Greek roots (somehow my genes don't fight each other!), I'm deeply saddened by the current state of the region. Growing up in western Turkey, I didn't give much thought to the eastern part of the country, let alone Iran. Funnily, my first real interactions with Iranian culture didn't happen until I moved to Germany. Aside from their cuisine being the only one…

You don't think Iran's situation is also mostly its own doing?

I personally am not well read on this, but I know lot of people blame the US and the UK since after they overthrew the democratically elected socialist government and installed a brutal dictator[0], the only elements that survived to oppose the dictatorship were hardened islamists, who later took power from the US backed Shah[1]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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post #100

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As far I remember a large reason for the water crisis is subsidizing water for agriculture which does not fit the local climate This is based on some ideological pillar of being autarkic, as the Islamic Republic was generally built upon the fear of outside influence sounds like if 90% of their water goes to agriculture, mostly export, and their country is cash strapped due to their habit of kidnappings, then maybe th…

> This is based on some ideological pillar of being autarkic, as the Islamic Republic was generally built upon the fear of outside influence You say that if it was some cultural oddity, and not a completely understandable reaction and exactly the same any state with "western culture" would have done in the same situation.

> exactly the same any state with "western culture" would have done in the same situation

Until like a couple years ago, autarky was generally not in the Western playbook. It’s a stupid idea that tends to be embraced by stupid people. The only ones who have done it sustainably are the Kims, as a nuclear monarchy over a totalitarian state.

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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post #162

As someone of Turkish origin with Kurdish, Bulgarian, and Greek roots (somehow my genes don't fight each other!), I'm deeply saddened by the current state of the region. Growing up in western Turkey, I didn't give much thought to the eastern part of the country, let alone Iran. Funnily, my first real interactions with Iranian culture didn't happen until I moved to Germany. Aside from their cuisine being the only one…

You don't think Iran's situation is also mostly its own doing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%2527%C3%A9...

A key motive was to protect British oil interests in Iran after Mossadegh nationalized and refused to concede to western oil demands.

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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post #162

As someone of Turkish origin with Kurdish, Bulgarian, and Greek roots (somehow my genes don't fight each other!), I'm deeply saddened by the current state of the region. Growing up in western Turkey, I didn't give much thought to the eastern part of the country, let alone Iran. Funnily, my first real interactions with Iranian culture didn't happen until I moved to Germany. Aside from their cuisine being the only one…

You don't think Iran's situation is also mostly its own doing?

The number of countries messing around in that region is long....

From the US, Russia and china to local powers like Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Iran themselves.

Either you're a scholar studying the region, if not your comment feels naive at best

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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post #5

I grew up in the Brazilian state of Minas Gerais, a region full of natural resources and, thankfully, aquifers and natural water reservoirs. However, centuries of extraction mismanagement and, more recently, over exploration of mineral resources puts these water resources into jeopardy. (Other problems include mining in open pits and with sludge dams that led to two of the worse environmental disasters in the world i…

this same problem is one of the side effects of mining for the metals used in things like solar panels it comes at the sacrifice of many non-western countries and this conversation is never on the table it's such a shame things that could otherwise last for thousands of years will get destroyed by a few decades of mismanagement

Oil drilling has worse side effects.
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