I am not sure if more regulation is a solution, but the lack of respect for job seekers is a real problem. And not just with ghost jobs. My recent experience as a job seeker was harrowing - even with large, proud companies. I would pass multiple rounds of interviews with senior/director-level interviewers only to never hear back from the company - even after a direct request for an update or feedback. Just total igno…
I wonder why people still apply to FAANG companies, there is nothing to be won by working for them. Your work has zero impact, you're actively paid to enshittify stuff over making it better, you have horrible bureaucracy within the company, they lay off thousands of people per year so your job never really is secure, all of FAANG is ethically corrupt beyond means. I'd never hire a FAANG employee to be honest, while w…
'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
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> Most jobs for women are basically daycare. I didn't realise we still had jobs specific for only women. This is such an out of left field comment that I have to ask for some of your references where you got this. Please tell me one job offer which says "Women Only".
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Your time might be worthless but mine isn't.
Yeah, you go ahead and sue someone for the few minutes of your time it took to send in a application for a fake job. Then you'll really see what wasting time looks like.
Multiply this across all the fraudulent job postings, and it really starts to add up.
It's clear (to me, at least) that we need better laws to handle this sort of wide-but-shallow attack on people. It's analogous to spam.
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America has no data protection law, apart from some hyper-specific ones: healthcare, video rental records. That makes all of this data sharing completely legal. As well as that, it is widely agreed there that lying is free speech. It is not wire fraud because you do not pay to apply. (In general; places that charge applicants are even more scammy.)
"healthcare, video rental records" wait what? One of these things, etc. Curious how that came to be? Is it like special rules for (IIRC) onions in finance?
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> In most other situations related to money or contracts, it would be a criminal offense punishable by prison time What are you thinking of? In most cases, that falls firmly under the category of bullshitting. Annoying. Unprofessional. Dishonest. But rarely criminal. What makes this possibly illegal (though I'm still unsure if it's crimial) is that it's specifically around employer-employee relations.
Fraud is very illegal.
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>I am not sure if more regulation is a solution Nothing else is going to fix this.
I happen to agree with you, but it's also worth mentioning that solving whatever problem is creating the need to post ghost jobs in the first place would also make posting them unnecessary (presumably insecurity about the company's ability to assess, hire and retain high quality talent.) But those are very hard, company-specific problems to solve, hence my agreement :-)
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#167In the US a lot of these are pseudo postings for immigration applications. They are technically posting the job, but in pt 3 for on page 72 of a random newspaper in a hope that nobody sees it and applies so they can say “we couldn’t find anyone so we need a visa/green card.” That’s starting to get cracked down on, but it’s been a mess and a sham for a while.
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This seems analogous to the following. A company asks users to fill out an online survey in exchange for participation in some raffle, except the company never pays out any prize. As with the job application there was never a guaranteed reward, but it's still easy to see the damage. The company induced to you to provide them with an economically valuable asset (filled out survey/application) for which you expected a…
Except a job offer is generally non binding, so they could interview you, offer the job, then withdraw it. So never being offered a job because it doesn't exist doesn't lose you anything.
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Maybe official 'name and blame' service where anybody could post their experience under their real name?
It's a multiparty problem. I really wouldn't want to post negative experiences of companies under my and their real name while still looking for jobs elsewhere. Glassdoor could only possibly be accurate because it was anonymous. Of course, that also makes it easier to fake.
The private sector is great at lots of stuff but running a clean marketplace isnt one of them - the incentives are off.