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Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

karlgkk wrote: post #50
guywithahat wrote: post #43

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What I've heard out of Elon and engineers on the team is that some of these variations of sensors create ambiguity, especially around faults. So if you have a camera and a radar sensor and they're providing conflicting information, it's much harder to tell which is correct compared to just having redundant camera sensors. I will also add in my personal experience, while some filters work best together (like imu/gnss)…

Counterpoint: Waymo > solid engineering defense for moving towards just computer vision COUNTERPOINT: WAYMO

Waymo could be piloting cars remotely with an operator per-vehicle for all we know.

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by 93po »

verteu wrote: post #155
93po wrote: post #79

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There's no evidence the supervisor was behind the wheel for any of these, and I've never seen footage at all where they werent in the passenger seat

Thanks for the context, I didn't realize the supervisor sits in the passenger seat in Austin. They do have a kill switch / emergency brake, though: > For months, Tesla’s robotaxis in Austin and San Francisco have included safety monitors with access to a kill switch in case of emergency — a fallback that Waymo currently doesn’t need for its commercial robotaxi service. The safety monitor sits in the passenger seat in…

Waymo absolutely has a remote kill switch and remote human monitors. If anything Tesla is being the responsible party here by having a real human in the car.

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by mmooss »

boringg wrote: post #160
mmooss wrote: post #156

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So Musk is really a victim of this website. Unless you say the contrary in all caps.

The claim is that website was providing back information for about 3-4 years because they didn't like Tesla. That invalidates them as a source because they have a bias against that company. Not as you say "musk is really a victim of the website". I do appreciate your excellent level of trolling though - we could use better level of intelligence out there.

Ah, now the website is biased against poor Musk and I'm trolling you. It's seems that you'll never have to address the issues, just attack anyone who disagrees.

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by karlgkk »

karlgkk wrote: post #158
fragmede wrote: post #138

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Fanboy or not, we don't know how much Waymo's model relies on an army of contractors labeling every stop light, sign, and trash can that, sure, they're using LIDAR to detect them and not cameras. We also don't know much about Tesla's Robotaxi initiative and how much human help they're relying on either.

first of all, their approach does not rely on map level labeling for runtime. They do that for training, but so does every other player. High precision maps are used as a form of GPS in their solution. They also use it to determine delta if road conditions change and alert ops. Second of all, they’re using cameras to detect things like signs and trash cans! I don’t know where this misconception came from that Waymo o…

i cant edit this but it's bugging me "does not rely on map level labeling for runtime" isn't quite true. they do use tagging in their centralized mapping that the waymo driver uses as one source of truth. but ultimately, the onboard sensors and the onboard classifier and pathing engine are used.

this allows them to tag things that their cars are not recognizing, but then are fed back into the training set and validated. it allows them to "live patch" troublesome sections of road but it's not intended for long term use.

they also use this to close sections of road, such as for car accidents, flooding, etc.

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by verteu »

93po wrote: post #162
verteu wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the context, I didn't realize the supervisor sits in the passenger seat in Austin. They do have a kill switch / emergency brake, though: > For months, Tesla’s robotaxis in Austin and San Francisco have included safety monitors with access to a kill switch in case of emergency — a fallback that Waymo currently doesn’t need for its commercial robotaxi service. The safety monitor sits in the passenger seat in…

Waymo absolutely has a remote kill switch and remote human monitors. If anything Tesla is being the responsible party here by having a real human in the car.

If they're more responsible than Waymo, why are they crashing more?
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