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I would point out that when it comes to these, right, far right and fascists win the numbers. And right now, it is far right who is having genocidal rhetorics.

Which far right or fascist ruler came close to what Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot did in terms of numbers?

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You’re trying too hard to make that conspiratorial take: most responsible outlets don’t speculate on motives until there’s some evidence of a connection. For example, the stories I’ve read quoted his neighbors wondering whether there’s a connection to what happened at Brown, which is just an hour away and still has the killer at large. If there’s any evidence of an anti-Jewish motive, I will be shocked if it’s not an…

Certainly it's more conspiratorial to assume that his death had something to do with his research, or that he was secretly a some kind of Walter White character? Being politically outspoken on an issue which is contentious in that area, and which has caused violence before seems like the most plausible explanation that I have heard so far.

No, it’s just sticking to the publicly known information. Not listing something isn’t saying it’s not a factor, it’s just literally going with what the police were saying: they didn’t have any information about the motive yet.

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You’re trying too hard to make that conspiratorial take: most responsible outlets don’t speculate on motives until there’s some evidence of a connection. For example, the stories I’ve read quoted his neighbors wondering whether there’s a connection to what happened at Brown, which is just an hour away and still has the killer at large. If there’s any evidence of an anti-Jewish motive, I will be shocked if it’s not an…

> most responsible outlets don’t speculate on motives until there’s some evidence of a connection That is simply not true, every single news outlet without fail speculates, uncritically quotes a speculator, or leaves out warranted critical speculation at their own discretion. Pick a news site that you think doesn’t do this and I will happily find an example from their front page.

Reporters tend to be very careful about this in the context of things like deaths, embarrassing scandals, etc. where they might be sued. If you note, the kind of stories you’re referring to tend to be referencing what someone else said—a source in law enforcement, neighbors, friends, etc.—because that makes it clear that there are not the opinion of the news organization itself.

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> who would want to carry this stupid heavy thing BART service started in Pleasanton in 1997. In 1992 or 1993 I had a glass CRT TV stolen during a burglary at our house in exurban Connecticut. There's no reason to claim that TV theft is some myth. It was a crime that did in fact happen.

Ummm... Something tells me they didn't take the train to come steal your TV.

the did not, no. That's why I did not address that part of the comment, only the part claiming that no miscreant would want to carry a heavy TV.

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You started the fight by making the (leftist-coded) comment about CEOs, that other comment was the response.

Huh. I figured "some CEOs do nasty things that get people killed, and get away with it" was a politically neutral observation of fact.

The neutral viewpoint, I think, is that "some CEOs do nasty things that get people killed, and some get away with it."

Although yours is more neutral than "CEOs do nasty things that get people killed, and get away with it" which you often hear from the same populations that cheered the assassination of a CEO that did nasty things and most definitely did not get away with it.

It's definitely become more politically charged in the wake of the Luigi event, when framing CEOs as violent people implicitly authorizes "self-defense" cheered on by what is usually associated with left-wing leaning actors.

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That's 100 times more than I thought.

Genuinely believing that only one person in America dies in a home invasion is hard to take seriously. I imagine most preteens in America have a better grasp of reality than the one you’re espousing here.

I just checked UK stats and from my reading of ONS's homicide data it's entirely possible it's around zero from burglary gone wrong.

The us is only 5 times bigger

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When BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) came to Pleasanton CA my fox-news brainwashed racist aunt and uncle and their neighbors where legitimately convinced black people from Oakland were going to come take BART out from Oakland and steal their TVs. And this was back in the day of the giant bulky heavy-backed rear-projection TVs. I was like... first of all they drive cars now and second of all who is going to take BART to…

> who would want to carry this stupid heavy thing BART service started in Pleasanton in 1997. In 1992 or 1993 I had a glass CRT TV stolen during a burglary at our house in exurban Connecticut. There's no reason to claim that TV theft is some myth. It was a crime that did in fact happen.

Did the thief take transit, though? We had a similar NIMBY argument in the area where some totally-not-racist people said thieves were going to bike from a predominantly black neighborhood 15 miles away to steal TVs, and it was so blatantly wrong that the local chief of police noted that the burglars they catch use stolen trucks or SUVs for the cargo capacity.

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How on earth are you making conclusions about the motive of the killer? People also get burgled and shot. Lovers take revenge. A grad student loses their mind. It's entirely irresponsible to suggest that something is being hidden if there's zero evidence so far that someone's religion or political views are even remotely relevant.

And media lies by omission.

Lying by omission has a specific requirement that the liar knows something relevant and chooses not to disclose it. That’s quite different than refraining from speculation about the killer’s motive.

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One was a home invasion that may or may not be related to the victims work on fusion plasma. It is very likely unrelated to that work. The other was a mass shooting style event that targetted an exam preperation review hall populated by econ students and led by a 21-year-old teaching assistant. It's a stretch to connect an isolated murder of a field advancing physics researcher and a hall full of students just becaus…

In a different state, no less.

My understanding is that the border security between those states is rather lax.

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That's 100 times more than I thought.

You thought only one person a year died during break ins gone wrong? Vending machines kill more than that.

Legalizing vending-machine concealed carry was our first mistake.
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