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Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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Post by devilbunny »

fragmede wrote: post #149
politelemon wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am concerned that this comment reads like an advert, it's completely unnecessary and out of touch.

How is it out of touch? GP comment makes it sound like the technical know to setup a VPN exit node is this crazily esoteric super weird nerdy thing that no one would expect anyone normal to even know about. Installing an Apple TV app onto an Apple TV and mailing it to a friend requires zero command line usage. But no, Tailscale did not pay me for this comment. I do happen to know someone that works there though.

Don't bother with these comments. I made a similar reply to yours a few days ago and while most found it useful, a surprising amount of whataboutism occurred - no, Apple TV hardware isn't common, or no, only old people have them, or no, why would you use an Apple TV when [X] can do it cheaper, or no, why not self-host and not be dependent on Apple and Tailscale?

Entirely missing the point that setting up a VPN exit node on your own or someone else's connection is a crazily esoteric super weird nerdy thing outside of communities like HN, and Tailscale on an Apple TV box will not only work but automatically update itself with no intervention on your part, and that the person whose house it is in needs extremely minimal technical skill to do what you tell them to over the phone.

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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Post by itintheory »

infecto wrote: post #105
acka wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Years on, our primary data source is literally holding dozens of subscriptions to every commercial provider we can find, and enumerating the exit node IP addresses they use. Assuming your VPN identification service operates commercially, I trust that you are in full compliance with all contractual agreements and Terms of Service for the services you utilize. Many of these agreements specifically prohibit commercial…

TOS are pretty meaningless in cases like this. It amounts to getting rejected as a customer and your account canceled.

I think ToS violations can also run afoul of CFAA.

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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Post by ck2 »

btw I've wondered if Cloudflare Warp is considered to be a real VPN by VPN-blockers since it's not true privacy and just an "acceleration" tunnel

aren't Cloudflare exit nodes also content edge servers so impossible to block?

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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Post by infecto »

itintheory wrote: post #162
infecto wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TOS are pretty meaningless in cases like this. It amounts to getting rejected as a customer and your account canceled.

I think ToS violations can also run afoul of CFAA.

Those are pretty old cases that I think the courts have moved away from and even in those cases it was a TOS violation and explicit c&d that the company ignored.

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

#165

Post by recursive »

0xdeadbeefbabe wrote: post #106
tallytarik wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of VPN and proxy detection services, either as a service (API) or downloadable database, which are surprisingly comprehensive. Disclaimer: I’ve run one since 2017. Years on, our primary data source is literally holding dozens of subscriptions to every commercial provider we can find, and enumerating the exit node IP addresses they use. There are also other methods, like using zmap/zgrab to probe for…

> which are surprisingly comprehensive How does the buyer even know what the precision and recall rates might be?

Probably contrary to the stealth aspect.

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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Post by fragmede »

devilbunny wrote: post #161
fragmede wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it out of touch? GP comment makes it sound like the technical know to setup a VPN exit node is this crazily esoteric super weird nerdy thing that no one would expect anyone normal to even know about. Installing an Apple TV app onto an Apple TV and mailing it to a friend requires zero command line usage. But no, Tailscale did not pay me for this comment. I do happen to know someone that works there though.

Don't bother with these comments. I made a similar reply to yours a few days ago and while most found it useful, a surprising amount of whataboutism occurred - no, Apple TV hardware isn't common, or no, only old people have them, or no, why would you use an Apple TV when [X] can do it cheaper, or no, why not self-host and not be dependent on Apple and Tailscale? Entirely missing the point that setting up a VPN exit n…

Thanks. With people in their own independent bubbles it's hard to tell, but with a guess at 25 million Apple TVs out there in the wild, I didn't think it was that esoteric, but what do I know.

Thanks again, devilbunny

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

#167

Post by angry_octet »

siva7 wrote: post #157

If this is true, i will cancel my subscription. I'm using tailscale and certainly won't use a service that wants to dictate me how to use my device.

If you're using tailscale it's a true VPN, not a proxy, and it won't have any impact on you. If you're using the Mullvad add-on that's a different situation.

Re: SoundCloud has banned VPN access

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Post by [deleted] »

vb-8448 wrote: post #153
tallytarik wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of VPN and proxy detection services, either as a service (API) or downloadable database, which are surprisingly comprehensive. Disclaimer: I’ve run one since 2017. Years on, our primary data source is literally holding dozens of subscriptions to every commercial provider we can find, and enumerating the exit node IP addresses they use. There are also other methods, like using zmap/zgrab to probe for…

just out of curiosity: if i'm located in spain and i setup an ec2 or digital ocean instance in germany and use it as a socks proxy over ssh, do you will detect me?

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