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Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by codebolt »

brokenmachine wrote: post #91

Surely if Copilot was so useful and great, it wouldn't be free and they wouldn't be trying to force it down unwilling people's throats at every opportunity. I'm beginning to think this AI stuff isn't all it's cracked up to be...

I've been a heavy user of the MS Copilot chat app on my Android phone, which I've been pretty happy with as a free basic AI chat option except for some annoying GUI bugs that they will apparently never get around to fixing. But I've yet to see a good use outside of the chat interface.

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Post by Y-bar »

mr_mitm wrote: post #158
kburman wrote: post #127

My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

What do you think of Nvidia Shield? I haven't tried it, but I think it should also belong to 2). It's clearly much more expensive than a FireTV, but as you say it shouldn't be subsidized by ads. As an Android device it should be more open than an Apple TV. While I recognize the near flawless UI and high hardware quality of most Apple devices, I disagree with their "golden cage" or walled garden approach.

I see many people liking their shield, and with good reason it seems, but is it a worthy ecosystem to buy in to when it has not seen a new hardware revision since 2019?

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Post by zelos »

kburman wrote: post #127

My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

Exactly. I disabled internet access on my LG C1 after an update reenabled the setting that pops up adverts over the top of what you're watching.

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Post by mr_mitm »

entrox wrote: post #141
Johanx64 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are people still connecting their TVs to the internet? I thought this is already common wisdom for people in tech for decades to NEVER connect your TV to the internet, not even once.

How is this my fault as customer? This a predatory practice in tech. I work in automotive, the hoops you have to jump through in order to push a SW update are enormous. One of the first rules is: if the owner of the vehicle does not consent to an OTA update, you're out of luck. The industry is obviously unable to self-regulate, so it is time for an external regulator, e.g. the EU, to jump in and mandate that SW updat…

They should mandate that the consumer must have the choice to install whatever OS they like.

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Post by kylpytakki »

Angostura wrote: post #152
monai wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Next level of dystopia: cellular modems becoming so cheap that every TV, fridge and washing machine comes with one that connects it to the Internet whether you like it or not. That's already a reality with cars in Europe.

Just to be clear to anyone reading - those SIMs have one purpose only - to automatically call emergency services if you crash.

Do they need a SIM to do an eCall? I'd think not because after all it is a semi-regular emergency call.

So if the car has a SIM it probably could be removed to neutralize it without interfering with the eCall. But eSIMs might be a different problem...

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Post by UnreachableCode »

kburman wrote: post #127

My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

What's wrong with Roku? They have a few ads here and there but I've always found the interface to be super slick. And they aren't Google, so not as harmful to share my data with? (a big assumption, I know)

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Post by Y-bar »

gxs wrote: post #160
Angostura wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to be clear to anyone reading - those SIMs have one purpose only - to automatically call emergency services if you crash.

It’s naive to think that this is a) the only current use Almost everything ever introduced with good intentions gets perverted into something else Traffic cameras, facial recognition, phone GPS, social media - all can and are used against you in one way shape or form I’m not saying we shouldn’t have any of those things - I’m saying just open your eyes because e sims are no different

Over twenty years ago there came a mandate that all places with many people gathers (both residential and commercial housing) should have a EN 54‑21 compliant alarm transmitter to automatically notify authorities in case of a fire.

I'm afraid that we are crying wolf right now and are undermining our efforts to permanently shut down Chat Control and the likes when we complain about these efforts with a history of not being misused.

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Post by everdrive »

UnreachableCode wrote: post #167
kburman wrote: post #127

My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

What's wrong with Roku? They have a few ads here and there but I've always found the interface to be super slick. And they aren't Google, so not as harmful to share my data with? (a big assumption, I know)

Roku has been bad in a number of ways, but here's one:

https://techcrunch.com/2024/03/05/roku-disables-tvs-and-stre...

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Post by tjpnz »

Small data point: I brought a Sony Android TV in 2023 which doesn't have any of the annoyances I keep reading about here. Made in Japan for the Japanese market, haven't seen a single ad and it predates my use of AdGuard DNS. Whether this is a regional or Sony thing I'm not sure.
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