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Re: Recovering Anthony Bourdain's Li.st's

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Post by lurk2 »

mft_ wrote: post #158
lurk2 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In places where the economy is not based on tourism, the percentage of short term rentals rarely exceeds 3% of housing stock.

The original disagreement was (to simplify) around whether locals' objections to tourists was due to economics (housing becoming more expensive), or other possible factors (including xenophobia). So we seem to have agreed that, yes, in areas where there's a significant influx of tourists (whether short or long-term), there are likely to be sigificant economic factors that might explain the locals' antipathy?

> So we seem to have agreed that, yes, in areas where there's a significant influx of tourists (whether short or long-term), there are likely to be sigificant economic factors that might explain the locals' antipathy?

Are you seeing these demonstrations in the resort towns or in the cities under the 3% threshold?

Re: Recovering Anthony Bourdain's Li.st's

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Post by vasco »

soulofmischief wrote: post #157
vasco wrote: post #154

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You do not know what someone else suffers, how can that not be clear to you. Some can suffer 10x what others can without considering suicide once. So no, they haven't "clearly" suffered less, Anthony could simply be a pussy, or the commenter be very brave.

Your confusion stems from the fact that you seem to measure suffering as an external factor. Two people can have the same exact upbringing yet have vastly different internal experiences. Some people react to negative externalities or internal struggles differently than others. I make no assumptions about what OP has been through; however it's pretty clear that they have not had Bourdain's experience, and as such clea…

> Some people react to negative externalities or internal struggles differently than others.

> But I entirely doubt that OP has experienced enough suffering to know what Bourdain has been through, in order to make such a callous remark.

I think these statements aren't consistent with each other. If you believe the first you wouldn't say what someone has or not gone through based on one single remark they made on the internet. They made the remark, yes, but they may very well have suffered way more. In fact more suffering may lead to less patience rather than more empathy when confronted with others' problems. Imagine a case of an innocent person who went to jail for 50 years hearing about an actual criminal caught in the act complaining about a night in jail for example.

Re: Recovering Anthony Bourdain's Li.st's

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Post by [deleted] »

somenameforme wrote: post #153
jorvi wrote: post #124

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Jon Krakauer pointed something similar out in relation to the native people around Everest attaining a higher quality of life (and thus more Western lifestyle) as more and more commercial Everest expeditions started happening. Climbing tourists would be complaining that the local culture was being destroyed and that the huts they would visit would have the local kids be wearing, say, a fashion shirt and the huts them…

I think there's a more charitable way to interpret their perspective, as well as that of Bourdain. Climbing Everest is pain, suffering, and a fairly significant chance at death. And practically speaking, to even try to do it in modern times you generally need to be wealthy. So why are these people doing it? Because wealth doesn't provide contentment or satisfaction in life in and of itself. It's people searching for…

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Re: Recovering Anthony Bourdain's Li.st's

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Post by jama211 »

jghn wrote: post #134
gnz11 wrote: post #112

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The production crew would have used "fixers" to get insight into good locations for filming and other things of interest. Whatever fixer they used was probably just friends of and/or part of this "wrong" crowd. Bourdain and his producers made a lot of shows over the years, some are going to be better produced while others are flawed. How it goes. Bourdain and his team weren't perfect — doesn't make them inauthentic a…

Not only this, but depending on which season of which show of his, there may have been other reasons for why spots were chosen. For instance there was at least one season of No Reservations where episodes were themed with the location as a backdrop. The episode he had in my hometown caused a lot of locals to complain that he wasn't choosing the best spots, but the point was the whole episode was a narrative and the s…

Ahh tv, always the narrative…

Re: Recovering Anthony Bourdain's Li.st's

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Post by RajT88 »

lettergram wrote: post #46
RajT88 wrote: post #33

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> 6) Tragic: Suicide landed hard because many recognized something in him of themselves in him. I would like to put it out there that his depression or whatever mental illness he had was on full display the whole time, and this probably resonated with people as well. A couple years back I started re-watching all of his shows, start to finish, after watching Roadrunner . Especially the early seasons, there was rarely…

Bourdain actually joked about killing himself in the exact manner and location in, which he did. When I heard it happened, my wife and I both recalled the same times he'd mentioned it. It wasn't a surprise really. Bourdain had been referencing Hunter S Thompson and the way he went out for years. He'd also repeatedly mentioned wanting to go out in southern France after a great day. Bourdain generally had the same "vib…

> wanting to go out in southern France after a great day.

By all accounts, it was a pretty shit day. I guess it'd have to be, hard to imagine wanting to go through with it while healthy and happy.

Re: Recovering Anthony Bourdain's Li.st's

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Post by qingcharles »

thecsw wrote: post #18
throwaway12345t wrote: post #5

love these, wonder what avenues still exist for the image archives I imagine they exist in an AWS or GCP rack somewhere, too bad

Someone must have their browser untouched since 2015, which has all of the li.st content stored in their cache :D

Google still has scrapes of the entire web going back two decades in their archives.

Re: Recovering Anthony Bourdain's Li.st's

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Post by mft_ »

lurk2 wrote: post #161
mft_ wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original disagreement was (to simplify) around whether locals' objections to tourists was due to economics (housing becoming more expensive), or other possible factors (including xenophobia). So we seem to have agreed that, yes, in areas where there's a significant influx of tourists (whether short or long-term), there are likely to be sigificant economic factors that might explain the locals' antipathy?

> So we seem to have agreed that, yes, in areas where there's a significant influx of tourists (whether short or long-term), there are likely to be sigificant economic factors that might explain the locals' antipathy? Are you seeing these demonstrations in the resort towns or in the cities under the 3% threshold?

I think you're trying to shift the goalposts, or you're just not seeing that we're stuck in circular logic.

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You originally said there isn't an economic basis to locals' antipathy to outsiders.

I provided evidence to show that an economic basis is plausible.

You then use that evidence, and define any examples where it's happening as a 'resort town', and then require evidence that it's also happening in places you wouldn't define as a 'resort town'.

I can't do that, because you excluded the places I can provide positive evidence for, by defining them as resort towns.

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My basic point remains: there are plenty of places where an influx of short- or long-term tourists causes a meaningful economic shift in the cost of housing (especially) which therefore makes it logical (and not just xenophobic) that the locals might resent the tourists.

Re: Recovering Anthony Bourdain's Li.st's

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Post by itomato »

soulofmischief wrote: post #45
itomato wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You assume too much

You might assume you have known depression, but you would not speak such cruelties had you truly experienced the depths of sadness that a human being is capable of feeling.

Such “cruelties”? Spare me the drama.

Re: Recovering Anthony Bourdain's Li.st's

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Post by itomato »

soulofmischief wrote: post #60
rkachowski wrote: post #58

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The idea that suffering will somehow make you noble is quite awful. Depression isn't some kind of cleansing fire that opens you to empathy. It affects good people and assholes and people in every phase of life.

It doesn't have to make you noble, but there's a certain level of suffering experienced where you stop making comments such as that toward someone who's committed suicide.

Stop? I’ve only begun.
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