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Re: Rats Play DOOM

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Post by hashstring »

mmooss wrote: post #160
hashstring wrote: post #159

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> Even if the researchers agreed, would they want to have this judgmental, attacking person around? 1. You calling the person above judgmental and attacking is not as tolerant either. 2. What about things that are morally wrong? Slave owners wouldn’t want to have a judgmental attacking person around either. Does that mean we have to have curious-discussions about slavery?

Your comment finds ways to make it adversarial. What are you trying to build? > What about things that are morally wrong? That takes possibly the most certain path toward evil: I think what they do is morally wrong so I can act without morality toward them. It's the rationalization of many awful acts and people and ideologies. Just look at the worst of what religions do. We should not think we are somehow above or ex…

> I think what they do is morally wrong so I can act without morality toward them.

I never said that this is how we should treat immorality. That’s somehow your interpretation of what I wrote.

> We should not think we are somehow above or exempt from that error, or so above sin generally that we can preach.

Preach.

Re: Rats Play DOOM

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Post by sdenton4 »

godelski wrote: post #153
sdenton4 wrote: post #93

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This mod includes collecting cheese (though it's a side activity, and maybe too subtle for the rats): https://youtu.be/qPRvw6kRN-8?si=j9iuTuiHerm0AhQ2 And here's a thing I knew had to exist: a doom mod/level set on a moon made of cheese... https://youtu.be/XxdeUbE9kvw?si=_cpJQKuDy87BN7EP&t=10m20s

They missed a real opportunity for "Omelette Doom Fromage" there But yeah, I'd wager too subtle. I'm also questioning now how much rats use smell for navigating their environments. I notice that my cat is a lot more smell oriented than I initially thought and I think it makes a big difference. Hard to tell though.

Humans are /extremely/ visual compared to other animals: this tends to make us underestimate the intelligence of other animals (when we use visual intelligence as a proxy for general intelligence) and miss out on smart uses of other senses entirely. Rats are well-known for thwarting maze studies using things like fine sensitivity to slope, directional orientation using smell gradients across a room, or detecting the direction of researchers outside the maze based on micro-vibrations.

(Good book on the general topic of measuring animal intelligence: "Are We Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are?" by Frans de Waal)

Re: Rats Play DOOM

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k0ba wrote: post #31
gpderetta wrote: post #3

Well, the most cyberpunk thing I have read today. No video of rats killing Daemons though, only a promising but broken link.

bUt liNk wOrks On mY cOmpUteR (seriously its not broken) ..but if so, check out this thread, tldr of the whole rodent VR setup: https://x.com/yolorun_capital/status/1996632980903620886?s=2...

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Re: Rats Play DOOM

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Post by gpderetta »

k0ba wrote: post #31
gpderetta wrote: post #3

Well, the most cyberpunk thing I have read today. No video of rats killing Daemons though, only a promising but broken link.

bUt liNk wOrks On mY cOmpUteR (seriously its not broken) ..but if so, check out this thread, tldr of the whole rodent VR setup: https://x.com/yolorun_capital/status/1996632980903620886?s=2...

To be clear, I can read the article just fine, but there are no daemon-killing mice videos in the article, only a potentially interesting broken link.

Re: Rats Play DOOM

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Post by InMice »

vee-kay wrote: post #97
crackez wrote: post #70

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I think there would be more money saved by making sure deer don't get hit by cars...

Such technology already exists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildlife_crossing

Im talking about squirrels and modern suburbia. That's a protected crossing

Re: Rats Play DOOM

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Post by account42 »

aw124 wrote: post #118

I'm opposed to this project because it involves using animals in medical experiments, which I believe is never ethically justifiable. It goes against basic moral and ethical principles regarding animal treatment. If the project were designed to allow animals to choose whether or not to participate, it would be more acceptable. Some scientists have already explored such approaches. By not giving animals a choice, you'…

We don't even give human beings that choice. Everyone gets to be part of the rat race, whether they like it or not.

Re: Rats Play DOOM

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

LightBug1 wrote: post #143
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #58

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Why? Unless you're against keeping pets in general, what's wrong with training your pet rat to play a video game?

I haven't look deep into this, but all the first thing I could think of is Clockwork Orange. Rat strapped into some contraption and forced to play a game.

I haven’t read/watched Clockwork Orange, but I can understand the dystopian image.

It’s just that, when I think about it, I don’t see a difference in kind between training the rat to play a video game and teaching a dog to roll over and play dead. Neither is natural animal behavior, and the animal doesn’t really have a choice in either case.

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