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Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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Literally bought 96GB (4x24GB) of DDR5 5600Mhz (edit: RDIMM ECC) just 5 days ago, fearing the prices would go up even more moving forward. Paid 1500 EUR for it in total :/ Southern Europe FWIW.

I think you got scammed by a local vendor, I got ddr5 2x48gb in europe 6400mhz (non ecc) for 320ish euro.

how many months ago? the RRP on that today is like 1k+: https://www.ldlc.com/en/product/PB00622951.html

Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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This is a dystopia no one really thought about. A handful of people anointed to spend borrowed money on a (so far unprofitable) quest to destabilize the world's economy, alienate the working class and make everything we've enjoyed the past 15-20 years a luxury.

a dystopian world in which computer memory is sort of expensive, god save us

Maybe programmers will have to start making their programs efficient again.

Maybe OpenAI's RAM monopoly is what kills Electron.

Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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And also because Korean companies apparently fear US retribution if they start producing DDR4. I don't feel like "OpenAI bought half the supply" tells the entire story when the companies that used to produce DDR4 with the left over machines no longer dare to do so. Probably the prices wouldn't spike as they're doing right now if the ones who used to produce the older RAM generations actually continued doing so.

Why would the USA care if Korean makes legacy DDR? You're going to have to give some kind of context to this completely wild statement.

Korea wouldn't make them. They'd sell the machines to China & China would. At least that's what I've seen people say

Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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Yikes, I hadn’t realized this was that big of a problem. The same exact G.skill z5 64Gb ram I bought 4 years ago is well on its way to being double the price. Does this have more to do with Crucial ending consumer product lines or tariffs?

I just last week sold some DDR5 I bought in April for triple what I paid for it.

You should look into 0 DTEs options. They 3x more often than RAM do 3x!

Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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As always, it's the intent that matters. For the sake of argument, what if Amazon decided tomorrow that they would secure exclusive contracts with all food suppliers and then hoard all the food to starve out the people they don't want to have it? Or at least, drive up the price of food so it becomes completely unaffordable? I know people can simply grow their own food so it's a bit different, but hopefully it gets th…

But OpenAI legitimately needs HBM. Amazon in this instance doesn't need food and is doing purely to create artificial scarcity. If OpenAI were to actually not use the HBM then it could mean something.

"needs" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in your argument...

Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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Altman should be jailed for this. Single-handedly crashing consumer spending in an entire sector of the economy. At the very least for the reason that that was supposed to happen _after_ they had the AI in hand to supplant majority white collar labor, not before.

That contract had little to do with this but I get why it's an easy, neatly packaged, personified scapegoat.

The ram price appreciation began 3 months before October 1st and his contract was about future capacity that has nothing to do with the current equilibrium price in consumer DRAM.

Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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I don't think Apple ever adjusts the price of existing products, for better (eating the cost of part shortages) or worse (over-charging for old parts). The real test will be what they do with upcoming products.

I can't find specific examples, but I'm almost certain they have at some points in the past adjusted pricing of upgrades mid-cycle.

Apple raised iPad Pro prices in 2017 by $50 to address NAND memory chips price hikes from the vendors: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/13/ipad-pro-price-increase.html

Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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We’re contemplating jailing people for buying manufactured goods at the market price now?

The Sherman Antitrust Act has outlawed abuses of monopsony power since 1890. What we should really be asking is, why did we ever stop jailing wanton criminals like Scam Alt-Man?

I find it fascinating that he's had the benefit of the doubt for soooo long.

This is the shitcoin-for-your-eyeball-scans guy; the guy who didn't tell the board of his own company that he controlled their startup fund through an alias.

Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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We’re contemplating jailing people for buying manufactured goods at the market price now?

People go to prison for market manipulation all of the time.

went to prison.

In the USA, nobody need ever go to prison for market manipulation anymore; they simply have to be able to pay the price necessary for a pardon. No logical consistency applies to the process.

Re: Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops

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We’re contemplating jailing people for buying manufactured goods at the market price now?

Yes, and I actually think it's a symptom of advanced societal decay that you think this is somehow an unreasonable proposition. What OpenAI is doing will drive up prices for years, shredding consumer welfare, limiting competition and forcing marginally-profitable products off the market, and they're not even going to use the RAM . They're wrecking supply chains simply because they no longer have any technical advanta…

> Frankly, much worse things than jail should happen to Altman for this kind of torching of the commons, and jail is the watered-down compromise position.

Some days I think the devastating crash of the economy that will come if the bubble bursts is the least worst outcome. Do people not feel like the tensions around AI will not soon become internationally geopolitical?

(It's already nationally geopolitical in the USA: Trump is trying to assert federal control over the states' rights to set their own legislation)

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