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Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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> It’s bandits all the way down, so adding a little smuggling to that doesn’t surprise me. Implying it’s *morally* wrong for a Chinese company to bypass US sanctions is hilarious. You really say that with a straight face when even the president admits this is only protectionism?

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Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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> It’s bandits all the way down, so adding a little smuggling to that doesn’t surprise me. Implying it’s *morally* wrong for a Chinese company to bypass US sanctions is hilarious. You really say that with a straight face when even the president admits this is only protectionism?

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I like how you're careful to use the "west" because if you had said US your argument would have been laughable.

Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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> chips that are banned in the country > The US bans the sale of these advanced semiconductors to China Whoa there, Bloomberg; just because the USA bans the sale of something to your country doesn't make it banned in your country.

> Whoa there, Bloomberg; just because the USA bans the sale of something to your country doesn't make it banned in your country. Many Americans, including their government, seem to think that US laws apply globally. They have extradited Ukrainian men from Poland because that Ukrainian was running a torrent website (illegal in the US, not illegal in Ukraine nor Poland). They tried getting an Australian extradited from…

The same government that runs Guantanamo prison, known for it's illegal torture practices and imprisoning people with no charges?

Can't be!

Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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> It’s bandits all the way down, so adding a little smuggling to that doesn’t surprise me. Implying it’s *morally* wrong for a Chinese company to bypass US sanctions is hilarious. You really say that with a straight face when even the president admits this is only protectionism?

It's the moral imperative of every country to optimize for its citizens' economic prospects. The CIA (and every other intelligence org.) is literally a weapon designed to operate in the grey area to fit the mandate of the policy makers and elected leadership. Many of the things they do are questionable or worse. In the case of the DoD, they do these things at the behest of democratically elected leadership. Of course…

This is just "might makes right" but modern. I don't know that this is the consistent, wide-held belief that you seem to think it is. Plenty of people would rather our governments not engage in clandestine disruption and undermining of foreign governments.

Competition is inevitable, especially between geopolitical rivals, but we don't have to engage in Minitrue-style "the enemy has always been our enemy" rhetoric.

Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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It's the moral imperative of every country to optimize for its citizens' economic prospects. The CIA (and every other intelligence org.) is literally a weapon designed to operate in the grey area to fit the mandate of the policy makers and elected leadership. Many of the things they do are questionable or worse. In the case of the DoD, they do these things at the behest of democratically elected leadership. Of course…

This is just "might makes right" but modern. I don't know that this is the consistent, wide-held belief that you seem to think it is. Plenty of people would rather our governments not engage in clandestine disruption and undermining of foreign governments. Competition is inevitable, especially between geopolitical rivals, but we don't have to engage in Minitrue-style "the enemy has always been our enemy" rhetoric.

We live under economic conditions created by a government that does intervene. And a greater world order established by a hegemon that does intervene.

It would be interesting to see what life would be like today had that not happened. It might be better, it might be worse. Probably a little of both for different groups of people.

As the world returns to multi-polarity, there are signs of increases in violence.

The last time the world had multi-polarity, we had far more wars. Including the worst wars the world has ever seen.

Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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I like how you're careful to use the "west" because if you had said US your argument would have been laughable.

Most European countries did awful things during their colonial years, some late into the XX century. Some still do shady things in Africa right now. And they all welcome money siphoned off peripheral countries by crooks.

Nobody can claim moral superiority.

Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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> It’s bandits all the way down, so adding a little smuggling to that doesn’t surprise me. Implying it’s *morally* wrong for a Chinese company to bypass US sanctions is hilarious. You really say that with a straight face when even the president admits this is only protectionism?

It's the moral imperative of every country to optimize for its citizens' economic prospects. The CIA (and every other intelligence org.) is literally a weapon designed to operate in the grey area to fit the mandate of the policy makers and elected leadership. Many of the things they do are questionable or worse. In the case of the DoD, they do these things at the behest of democratically elected leadership. Of course…

> It's the moral imperative of every country to optimize for its citizens' economic prospects.

"Moral imperative"? No country was ever created out of a moral imperative. None. Also, no country was ever created to optimize for its citizens' economic prospects. Every country was created by the elites for the benefits of the elites.

Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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> It’s bandits all the way down, so adding a little smuggling to that doesn’t surprise me. Implying it’s *morally* wrong for a Chinese company to bypass US sanctions is hilarious. You really say that with a straight face when even the president admits this is only protectionism?

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Give me 1 reason why the USA, the (for now) leader of "the west", is morally superior to China?

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> Kinda surprised they didn’t run into model collapse problems, This is just model distillation. Anyone with the expertise to build a model from scratch (which DeepSeek certainly can) can do this in a careful manner. > but they stole their training data from other people who stole their training data from data collections that arguably stole them from content creators. Bingo. I have no problem with pirates pirating o…

Google and Meta are probably the only two companies that have a right to license their training data For the sake of someone unfamiliar... Why is that? Did they pay teams of monkeys to generate their own, novel training data? Or gain explicit, opt-in permission from users who entrust them with their files/content?

I'm pretty sure Meta stole a bunch of content for training by torrenting it - https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/court-documents-show...
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