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Apple's tribute to Steve Jobs, one year on.

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Re: Apple's tribute to Steve Jobs, one year on.

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Post by aeturnum »

sswezey wrote: post #130
skeptik wrote: post #123

You know, I opened Safari this morning and, while I was startled by the music suddenly blasting through my speakers with no warning, I watched the video through to the end. It was nice, I enjoyed it. But EVERY TIME I OPEN A NEW SAFARI WINDOW IT STARTS PLAYING AGAIN. Sound and everything. Couldn't they have set a cookie for "already watched"? The annoyance this occasioned was the final push I needed to go into the pre…

Or you know, you could change your home page...

I think his point is that apple makes the safari homepage apple.com . They know that every mac they sell will start there. Despite knowing that, they don't seem to have thought that users might be annoyed by the video playing every time. I don't think that really matters, but it's interesting to talk about.

Re: Apple's tribute to Steve Jobs, one year on.

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Post by rustynails »

thebigkick wrote: post #129

I'd hate to be the guy to do this but... I agree, to some extent, with Malcolm Gladwell's take on the Steve Jobs legacy. http://tinyurl.com/br6rl7b Still, RIP Steve and thanks for inspiring us. Sent from my iPhone.

History is not so simple as this guy points out. Jobs had a significant impact, no doubt. People like Carnegie were not so nice, nor Rockefeller, Edison, Khan, Atilla the Hun. However, history remembers these people just fine, for good and bad. I believe it's quite normal to see the good and bad in people, because in reality that's how we all are. Jobsy left on a high note, turned Apple around. He will be remembered - and fondly, might I hazard a guess.

Re: Apple's tribute to Steve Jobs, one year on.

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Post by rustynails »

JoeCortopassi wrote: post #110

Yesterday : "Apple is a worthless patent troll. All of their 'inventions' are things that were invented somewhere else. The only thing they did was patent other people's work, then charge twice as much for it to a bunch of worthless fan-boys." Today : "R.I.P. Steve Jobs. He did so much to change the face of technology forever." ` Sometimes you have to sit back and appreciate the fickleness of a crowd...

In some ways, I think of jobsy as a great filterer - very focused. Both of your statements are somewhat true if you consider that perspective. Jobsy made a big difference by picking the best and putting it together. However, what was put together was largely taken from others. Fickle? Maybe - just not as one dimensional as it may first appear to be.

Re: Apple's tribute to Steve Jobs, one year on.

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Post by moheeb »

pkulak wrote: post #114
JoeCortopassi wrote: post #110

Yesterday : "Apple is a worthless patent troll. All of their 'inventions' are things that were invented somewhere else. The only thing they did was patent other people's work, then charge twice as much for it to a bunch of worthless fan-boys." Today : "R.I.P. Steve Jobs. He did so much to change the face of technology forever." ` Sometimes you have to sit back and appreciate the fickleness of a crowd...

It's really a little from column A, a little from column B. I'm a huge Android guy right now, and that Samsung lawsuit annoyed me to no end, but I still watched that video straight through and even sat in a bit of silence at the end. Even I can recognize what Steve and Apple have done, and what America and the world has lost in his dying early.

I don't think it is possible to die early. To die young, perhaps.

Re: Apple's tribute to Steve Jobs, one year on.

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Post by podperson »

spinchange wrote: post #92
podperson wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you had to boil Steve Jobs's biggest contributions down to a minimum, it's: * the first genuinely usable, affordable GUI (i.e. the Mac) * the iPod * the iPhone I'd say the Apple ][ is debatably on that list (the first personal computer than "just worked" or something). NeXTStep is a wonderful OS with a lot of Good Stuff in it but it's a piece of a product. The iPod Touch and iPhone are fairly obvious evolutions of…

No question about Apple ][ - That was the first computer schools across the country (US) started buying en masse. To my mind, that is the product that really touched off the personal computer revolution. As you mention, the Mac paradigm shift was about the GUI, Mouse, and taking what they started with the I and ][ to the next, more refined and "product-ized" level.

I tend to agree with you. (I actually started writing a defense of my initial position and realized that I was wrong!) I think some would like to dismiss the Apple ][ as, say, merely being the luckiest of a bunch of similarly conceived products that came out around the same time (e.g. the Commodore Pet was announced earlier but delivered later, and the TRS-80 came out slightly afterwards), but then not only was the Apple ][ more successful, it was also dramatically superior technically (e.g. its expansion bus allowed for self-configuring cards that could even slave the computer, which led to products like the DTACK 68k board that turned a humble Apple ][ into a workstation-class computer back in 1980.

http://www.easy68k.com/paulrsm/dg/

Re: Apple's tribute to Steve Jobs, one year on.

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Post by endemic »

jonathansizz wrote: post #156
vicapow wrote: post #127

People say "Steve wouldn't have done this to maps." but they're wrong. Apple still has it because they're still willing to piss off their users in the short term, but for the benefit of the long term. They're the only major company that sees and understands the innovator's dilemma.

No, they're the only major company that has a huge and scarily-loyal fan-base who are willing to rationalize major screw-ups as some kind of visionary strategic decision. And they didn't innovate - they replaced a nicely-functioning product with a broken imitation.

As pointed out by others, the screw-up was not admitting that Apple Maps launched as an inferior product. The long-term benefits of a homegrown mapping product were very obvious, such as turn-by-turn and vector tiles.

Re: Apple's tribute to Steve Jobs, one year on.

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Post by Zariel »

amartya916 wrote: post #153

Scrolling through all the comments, I find that it is impossible to not encounter cynicism - e.g. Apple is trying to divert from the Maps folly etc. - in this forum. This is Apple paying respect and taking a moment to reminisce about Steve ... it's just a nice, human thing to do.

Even I am a staunch anti Apple proponent but I have to sit back and applaud what Steve has achieved and what an incredibly visionary and accomplished man he was, I wish I could live like he had.

The video was a frank reminder that we had lost a great man.

Re: Apple's tribute to Steve Jobs, one year on.

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Post by sparkplug »

jfoutz wrote: post #143
JoeCortopassi wrote: post #110

Yesterday : "Apple is a worthless patent troll. All of their 'inventions' are things that were invented somewhere else. The only thing they did was patent other people's work, then charge twice as much for it to a bunch of worthless fan-boys." Today : "R.I.P. Steve Jobs. He did so much to change the face of technology forever." ` Sometimes you have to sit back and appreciate the fickleness of a crowd...

I think, I exemplify what you find fickle. In my humble opinion, Apple does a lot of stuff. Jobs would filter out the ugly and stupid, so Apple appeared a lot cooler than some random fortune 500 company. I'm skeptical of Apple ever regaining a filter like that. I think, they'll lumber around for a few years while their products lose mystique. It's not that their products are much different than android, it's that App…

Suing Samsung was Jobs' legacy. He was planning to do it himself if he lived long enough. He was incredibly petty, especially for an intellectual property thief.
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