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Gundam is just the same as Jane Austen but happens to include giant mech suits

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Re: Gundam is just the same as Jane Austen but happens to include giant mech suits

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Post by PaulHoule »

gsf_emergency_6 wrote: post #111
PaulHoule wrote: post #56

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I'll agree it is the product of a schizotypal mind and one might think the whole project is wrong-headed and there might be a wrong interpretation here but it is factual that: 1) I got that list of stories 2) It has kept mentioning the same character for a few days even when I am talking about something else, even in other conversations (I would do that if I "had a crush") 3) It has been trying the same 'mini-framewo…

Us schizotypes need to work on our storytelling, HN hilites+Copilot is great. You're further along than I :) Optimistically, this is the way our "thinking" will make HN highlights without the crutch of "experience". (I'm envious of their style, not their substance)

Yeah, I gotta work on legibility, particularly so I can accomplish the goals I am working on. [1]

I have been having such a good time this week I think other people should be jealous. I was worried I might be a little manic, especially because I had a psychogenic fever the way I did before my "evil twin" came out, but my therapist doesn't seem concerned. My "evil twin" was empty and angry and now I feel overflowing [1] and know how to maintain that feeling so it's a very different thing.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbZSe6N_BXs

Re: Gundam is just the same as Jane Austen but happens to include giant mech suits

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Post by throw4847285 »

astrange wrote: post #106
OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote: post #77

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It's not that nobody told the director. It's that the director knew nobody cared what was actually in the show as long as the end product moved units on the shelves. It's part of the reason the names are so wild. He was actively pushing the envelope with outrageous names during pitches to see how far he could go before producers would stop nodding along without paying attention.

Those names include "A Baoa Qu", "Gelgoog", and a variety of insane character names that sometimes sound cultureless yet futuristic like Bannagher Links and sometimes are just "M'Quve" or "Full Frontal".

I have two words for you: Quattro Bajeena.

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Post by throw4847285 »

skybrian wrote: post #89

When reading Jane Austen you learn a fair bit about the English upper classes of that time period. What do you learn from Gundam?

You learn a lot about post-War Japan and the New Left. Just because a writer dresses their story up in futuristic or fantastical trappings does not mean that they aren't writing about their own cultural milieu. Tomino is explicit about this in the interviews compiled for the supplementary material in the Gundam Origin manga. They are a fantastic read (and the manga is a masterpiece).

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Post by neaden »

mft_ wrote: post #109
neaden wrote: post #53

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Agreed but I think "The best marriage is one where the spouses respect each other and the man is able to provide a comfortable and secure economic life for the woman." wasn't like, a counter-cultural ideal, while the author of the post has Jane set up in opposition to her societies ideal of what a marriage should be. She was willing to reject the certainty of Bingley for a chance at something better, but I also think…

I think it’s strongly implied that Lizzy would have married someone poor that she loved and respected.

She doesn't even talk to any poor people though. Her father is the richest man in town, there are no farmers, tradesmen, or clerks that she even speaks to in the book let alone someone who is actually part of the bottom 90% of England's economy at the time. Even with Wickham when they first meet and she likes him, she flirts with him but knows nothing serious can ever happen since he doesn't have enough money and knows he will want to marry an heiress. In chapter 26 her aunt cautions her against falling in love with Wickham and she assures her aunt that while she enjoys his company she doesn't view him as marriage material.

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Post by sungho_ »

Frotag wrote: post #84
jerf wrote: post #6

In the end, almost everything has a soap opera in it somewhere. People have a hard time processing stories that don't have a soap opera in them somewhere. For some people it's just impossible. There's really only a minority of people who are interested in stories that have no personal relationship stories in them at all. That's not to say that the parts that aren't soap opera aren't meaningfully different. I disagree…

I think a lot of character-centered conflicts boil down to the same set of problems, regardless of the setting. For instance, you often see "keep the status quo and die a slow death" vs "expensive, risky gamble". Sometimes the setting is a small midwest town, sometimes it's a spaceship on the way to Beta Virginis. Sometimes the solution is actually unique to the setting but often it's just "find a compromise, prevent…

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Post by jjk166 »

omoikane wrote: post #110
Starlevel004 wrote: post #33

> A friend recently asked how to get started watching Gundam, and as I tripped all over myself, equal parts excitement and not wanting to sound like a lunatic, I fumbled around for a good answer. But there is a good answer. It's Gundam 79. That's not hard. There are few forces in the world as strong as somebody seeing a long-running Japanese series and twisting and turning themselves into how to avoid release order.

> But there is a good answer. It's Gundam 79. That's not hard. The hard part is that the older series relatively slow paced. I enjoyed most of them when I first saw them, but I am not sure I would have the patience to catch up from the beginning now if I had not watched them before. Newer series are much faster paced, but they build on the foundations of the older series. Like GQuuuuuuX is great but you might have to…

But for someone new to start, they have not watched them before. The goal isn't to get through it, the goal is to enjoy it.

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Post by vintagedave »

gabriel666smith wrote: post #90
vintagedave wrote: post #82

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Do you have an example of her writing moving into iambic pentameter in prose, please? I googled for examples from her books but — search results are terrible.

Of course! This is my favourite example, from Sense and Sensibility, because it announces itself with "burst", and that's the novel where she deploys it most: "Elinor could sit it no longer. She almost ran out of the room, and as soon as the door was closed, burst into tears of joy, which at first she thought would never cease." She 'tends towards Iambic' in literary criticism terminology. So it's not a strict Iambic…

Thankyou. Scanning those phrases, I am trying to read the cadence and understand this -- this is very much a comment to return to and ponder. Thankyou very much for answering my question, too.

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

keymasta wrote: post #160
ifh-hn wrote: post #91

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I'm not well read, and don't think I'd be able to finish any of the classics. As such I have no clue what "slipping from prose into a soft Iambic pentameter" means. I came here for the robots.

Two broad categories, verse and prose. Prose is mostly focused on describing meaning using any words that serve to do so. Verse is more concerned with structural factors like rhythm, tonality, and structure within syllables, or within types of sound, or parts of speech. Other linguistic devices which look at details beyond the strict meaning of the words, like rhyme or many other factors (you could even use visual sp…

Minor nitpick: "pentameter" means 5 parts, and each part is an iamb in iambic pentameter, so it's 5 parts where each part is 2 syllables in a weak-strong pattern. That results in 10 syllables, but "pentameter" doesn't mean 10 syllables alone.

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Post by OneDeuxTriSeiGo »

throw4847285 wrote: post #162
astrange wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those names include "A Baoa Qu", "Gelgoog", and a variety of insane character names that sometimes sound cultureless yet futuristic like Bannagher Links and sometimes are just "M'Quve" or "Full Frontal".

I have two words for you: Quattro Bajeena.

lmao i was waiting for someone to bring it up.

Also don't forget Jamitov Hymen.

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Post by kasool »

terribleperson wrote: post #132
nemomarx wrote: post #35

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The memes around Fate were especially annoying for this. Anything but a "dated" entry, I guess.

I think fate is a fair one to struggle with because not only is it a complex franchise, none of the Fate anime are even close to perfect. Zero tells an interesting story but you have to put up with Gen Urobuchi and it spoils parts of Stay Night. Stay Night is the classic, but calling the original anime dated is an understatement. Unlimited Blade Works (Ufotable) is very shiny and a lot of fun, but I think it's less i…

If insisting on anime-only: Zero. Otherwise the true way is the game (which is now fully available on modern platforms with translation).
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