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About the same as Linux, if you use Crossover. Which is the functional equivalent to Wine/Proton.
This isn't true for Apple silicon, which is the main reason to use a Mac.
People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows
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Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows
#162Last time I tried Linux on desktop was Ubuntu 16 and it was all kinds of clunky, modifying text configs to make wifi work, random update services taking 100% CPU until I sudo-crippled them, etc.
On mint although everything... Just works. Including Steam and Spotify. It feels like a snappier, non-annoying version of Windows :)
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My parents run a Windows PC as, from what I can tell, a home for stray botnets. The main uses are checking email and working on Word documents. (They have a laptop and iPad, respectively, which does most of their work, so it's an infrequently consulted machine.) What Linux build would you recommend that I can fire and forget, that would be compatible with the Windows 10 machine they have running and will likely never…
Fedora. I've introduced it to many people, all coming from windows, with great luck. Based on use case and individual, it may need a few programs installed that otherwise aren't, and about 7 minutes of patience to learn the UI.
Fedora's release cycle is usually a little over a year from final release to EOL, at which point, you need to upgrade. My Mom and Dad ain't gonna wanna do that. For them, better to install the latest Ubuntu LTS once, and then I can upgrade for them at Christmas in 4 years.
Fedora is usually a bit...evangelical about open source software. If one of the things you really want is closed source, you'll have to take a few extra steps. Notably Nvidia drivers, but also stuff like Discord or Steam.
Fedora tends to move fast and break things. They tend to adopt things before they're good and ready. I believe Fedora was the first to switch to Wayland, and they did so before it was really ready, but I might be mistaken.
For a lot of users, #1 and #3 above are good things; they want the latest and greatest stuff, but don't want the occasional breakages that result from using a rolling release distro like Arch or Gentoo. For a lot of users, notably my Mom and Dad, they don't want to deal with shit like that, they just want to turn their computer on and forward funny pictures to me and their friends and do their word puzzles.
Fedora is a great distro, and it's the perfect distro for a lot of people, but some of its core philosophical principles make it a suboptimal distro for the less computer literate.
Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows
#164I moved over just to see what it was and one of the coolest things that instantly made me fall inlove was seeing being directed to a system file and finding out it was a text file that I could open and it had instructions explaining what the options were. It felt so inviting, like the computer was showing me how things worked and I could change it if i wanted something different.
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#165I am willing to pay for software, but please don't force me into a subscription model or you'll lose me as a customer.
The switch went smooth as butter for me, my system seems to run more stable and fast now, although it definitely helps that I was using WSL for years.
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It absolutely do runs worse than on Linux, it's not equivalent. Do not bother, especially not with newer games.
Yes, it isn't as good as Linux in some cases. It hasn't stopped me from running Cyberpunk on a Macbook though. Nobody is under the impression that a Mac running a translation layer is going to be better than a purpose built machine running native code. But is it not worth bothering, at all? No, there are plenty of circumstances where Steam via Crossover is essentially unnoticable. Really, though, if we are going to n…
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Made the switch recently too, I only use the windows box for gaming so went with bazzite-kde. Games were up and running in no time, though I am still noodling over getting Japanese IME working in one though haven't given it any effort yet. Other issues were Bluetooth dongle not being compatible though I happened to have one that is. Ironically the old one doesn't seem to have the same temporary connection issues I wa…
Setting up a Japanese IME in a so-called 'immutable' distro is a good way of developing a drinking problem. Tip: you really don't want ibus, you want fcitx5. No offence to the ibus developers, but ibus is garbage, fcitx is way, way better.
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#168I've been hearing about how Linux is going to replace Windows for at least 2 decades now. I expect it to finally happen some time after we get 'too cheap to meter' fusion power.
I shitposted about the ‘year of the Linux desktop’ for most of my teenage and adult life only to dual boot Linux for a bit as an experiment a year or two ago and have ~never booted in to Windows for anything other than games with anticheat since. It’s more a case of Windows getting significantly worse and feeling like malware than Linux desktop being THAT much better than the last time I tried it, but between proton…
No disagreeing on that. I hate how intrusive it is. I feel that I am paying for something AND I am still the product.
Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows
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My parents run a Windows PC as, from what I can tell, a home for stray botnets. The main uses are checking email and working on Word documents. (They have a laptop and iPad, respectively, which does most of their work, so it's an infrequently consulted machine.) What Linux build would you recommend that I can fire and forget, that would be compatible with the Windows 10 machine they have running and will likely never…
Kubuntu. KDE is generally considered close to a Windows experience, although, I'm afraid the "start" menu is still affixed to the left hand side and not in the middle of the taskbar (which is weird). It also doesn't bother with too much telemetry and all that stuff. Kubuntu is Ubuntu but with the KDE front end, instead of the Gnome one or whatever it is. Being Ubuntu it supports Secure Boot which ticks a box. It is j…
You can center the taskbar. Add a spacer on the left of "Application Launcher" and on the right of "Icons-Only Task Manager", and they'll center what's in between.
Unfortunately, that doesn't completely center the application launcher popup, it's still a bit more on the left. Good enough for me.
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*torture screaming at the background ARE YOU ENJOY MY LINUX? IT'S FULL OF JOY, RIGHT? YOU ARE HAPPY!!! YOU ALL WILL BE HAPPY!!! ___ seriously though, I do enjoy my arch, but I would never force someone to use linux by not providing help. It's basically same vibe, as with Microhard forcing it's AI vision of OS. Don't be that toxic, your relatives needed your help, and not your narcissism. If you really think, they nee…
It's not toxic to not offer infinite support for a platform you don't have familiarity with. Just like if you are vegan it's not toxic to refuse to prepare a meaty hamburger. Yes, a toxic version of this exists, but simply refusing to do a thing isn't toxic.
OP never said he is not familiar with Windows anymore ...
He clearly said that his condition for helping them is if they install Linux. Those two are totally different statements.
I even find that a rather flimsy excuse that you made up. I do not work with MacOS, does that mean i can not help somebody with MacOS? Google kung-fu and i can figure it out. How about Linux ... OS2 lol ... If you have even a bit of basic knowledge, a OS or program is all about Googling the answer these days (or even AI / LLM answering it for you).
We can have a discussion about people being lazy and pulling the "but X family member will solve the issues with my PC/Laptop/Tablet/Smartphone". I simply taught the family members who really want to learn, how to properly Google for issues. It did not matter to me that they use MacOS, or Windows.
Same with internet security, Windows is no issue for safety as long as the people using it, know what they can open and what they can not open. The moment you teach somebody the proper way, all those "support" calls vanish as their system stays clean of viruses and bots.
The whole "i will not help you unless you install Linux" ... that is toxic behavior. Instead of helping people by actually teaching them the basics, and those basics are operating system agnostic... his solution is a bit of blackmail.