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EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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Re: EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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Seems to me this is a kind of advanced persistent threat. You defeat them one day, but they're still there, and they keep trying, day after day after day.

The purpose of the state is continuity of the state. The state is always the natural enemy of the people - specifically the liberty and privacy of the people. Any time you have a government, you will have a government that wishes to spy on you to make sure you will never attempt a competing government/army.

States are responsible for orders of magnitude more innocent human deaths than every "terrorist" group in human history combined.

Re: EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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I think it’s plausible that the UK electorate are sick of switching between Tories and Labour for the last hundred years, especially as they have become indistinguishable in many respects. They were held back because there wasn’t a plausible alternative that had a hope of being elected. Reform has been leading the polls for nearly all this year, so let’s check in a year to see where they stand. But Labour (especially…

While I'm sure you know much more than I do about UK politics, it seems like some systemic factor pushes both Tories and Labour and whoever else comes close to power, well to the right of their respective voters. In the US, that factor would be campaign contributions and an extremely well-funded conservative propaganda/patronage machine on a war footing. In the UK, is it all about media ownership or something?

> In the UK, is it all about media ownership or something?

Yes.

Re: EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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post #77

At this point, it’s clear these sort of measures will go through, if not now but in some foreseeable future. What would be our best bet moving forward? Moving to signal/telegram?

Some decentralized platform with federation abilities. Delta Chat seems promising, but does not support forward secrecy. It is quite interestingly based on plain old email!

Or Matrix? No experience with it though

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America also has a party that always runs on the idea of small government and restoring rights to the people. Every time they get power, they do the exact opposite.

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The far-right Reform party[1]?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_UK

Re: EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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post #150

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The purpose of the state is continuity of the state. The state is always the natural enemy of the people - specifically the liberty and privacy of the people. Any time you have a government, you will have a government that wishes to spy on you to make sure you will never attempt a competing government/army.

States are responsible for orders of magnitude more innocent human deaths than every "terrorist" group in human history combined.

Sure, but also for y'know, basic civilization and stuff like, idk, food safety, hospitals, roads, disaster preparedness, medicine approvals, building guidelines and all sorts of things that probably end up saving a lot more lives than they cost.

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What is untrue? You need to verify your identity with Persona to use GPT-5 or GPT 5.1 or a lot of other models. "By filling the checkbox below, you consent to Persona, OpenAI’s vendor, collecting, using, and utilizing its service providers to process your biometric information to verify your identity, identify fraud, and conduct quality assurance for Persona’s platform in accordance with its Privacy Policy and OpenAI…

Are you perhaps a UK citizen? I, a German, can use GPT-5.1 without providing biometric information.

Are you able to access the API models without verifying your organization? See if you can access all models here. https://platform.openai.com/chat/edit

Web/app interface and API access are two different access layers for the model. Everyone can use the web or app interface for accessing all models, but API access is restricted unless you provide biometric information.

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This is of course a process, that does not lend itself to be democratic, because it is way longer than most people's attention span. People don't manage to remember things that happened in politics 4 years ago in their own country. Now they are required to follow up on dozens of shitty proposals, all probably illegal in their own country, and those don't even happen in their own country? That divides the number of pe…

People’s attention span has decreased to a matter of days now, if not hours. Have you seen how quickly front page news in the US is forgotten? The democratic process needs a revamp but it shouldn’t be driven by the general populations attention span.

I wouldn't be so sure of that assertion regarding attention span. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralistic_ignorance granted, it's about opinion rather than capability but the same bias would explain such a reflexive judgment, and such a judgment will have negative consequences if it is false. (Consensus can be shaped, as can the perception of consensus be.)

Re: EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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post #84

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"The plans for scanning your chats were on display for fifty Earth years at the local planning department in Alpha Centauri"? Nobody's attention span is infinite. I don't doubt I could understand all details of the EU legislative process and keep track of what sort of terrible proposals are underway if I put in the time, but I have a day job, hobbies that are frankly more interesting, and enough national legislation…

> I don't understand why I am obliged to surrender either a large and ever-growing slice of my attention or my one-over-400something-million share of sovereignty. Because your puny state is no match for the US, China or soon enough, India. Heck, even Russia in its current incarnation outmatches 80% of the EU countries. That's it, it's that simple, conceptually. It's basically the Articles of Confederation vs the Cons…

If the end result is going to be that the EU turns into Russia or China under the pretext of standing up to them (because apparently building an opaque process that civil society can't keep up with to ram through authoritarian laws is what it takes to be competitive?), then I'd rather they cut out the extra steps and let the Russians/Chinese take over. At least then nobody would be telling me that what I got is the outcome of some sacred democratic process I am obliged to respect.
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