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Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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Re: Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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Sounds like we share some things in common. Thanks for sharing.

Yes, not sure if you entered the high school drop out immediately and I missed it or it was edit, but yes, looks very similar! Thanks for sharing too.

Sorry. I tend to "edit and review" for a little while, on my lonform posts. My bad.

Re: Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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One reason I like CBS’s Elementary’s depiction of Sherlock (maybe more so than BBC’s Sherlock) is because how Elementary treats Sherlock’s mental health and addiction recovery as central to the character. As great as Sherlock is at solving cases, he still struggles greatly to handle his own mental health and addiction recovery, which makes him more grounded to earth.

Also why I enjoyed House which is basically modern Sherlock Holmes in a medical setting

The American series (House and Elementary) has the advantage of more seasons and episodes, which I think is sometimes required to showcase the challenges of drug addiction and mental health. The fact that these characters having to come back to face the same problem over and over again episode after episode is more true to the nature of the mental health problem itself.

BBC Sherlock has too little episodes to bring audience along a prolonged struggle with mental health.

Re: Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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We're still working a lot of this out because it's actually a relatively new thing culturally - my grandfathers generation would never have talked about mental health at all - but what is pretty clear is that most people do not talk enough about this, and do not deal with mental health very well. That does not mean we should all be talking to everybody about it all the time. I take stuff into a therapy session I'm no…

There was certainly quite a bit of deep talk about "integrity" and "character" in our grandfathers' generation, that was ultimately relating to issues we would now comprise under so-called 'mental health'. It's not clear to me that this medicalized framing ("...health") is necessarily and consistently better than a more traditional one focused on developing a well-adjusted character.

Integrity and character are about values and how you plan to behave and expect to have others behave towards you. They are not the same as your ability to process emotions that emerge as a result of that behaviour.

Having values is important. Integrity, humility, all of that, absolutely useful.

They are not in themselves sufficient to assure you of good mental health.

Re: Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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How is it different to having a personal trainer for your physical fitness?

Having a personal trainer for your physical fitness is something I'd expect a very low percentage of very wealthy individuals to have access to. Therapy appears to be more prevalent.

By "personal trainer" I just mean someone that you pay for a training session 1-3x per week. It's a comparable expense to therapy (depending on qualifications etc...).

Re: Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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There's a lot of abstraction in this thread, but I would like to hear specifics. What are the exact vulnerabilities that we are talking about? From my side I guess I can say I frequently feel like impostor type of things or that I'm not doing enough. I won't mention that at work, but I definitely share those feelings to my partner. I would hate not being able to share something like that to my partner for instance. I…

When I was at school (and in the 20th century generally) admitting to anything outside traditional masculinity / heterosexuality made you vulnerable to physical / verbal attack. Which remains the case for a lot of people in the 21st century. If they want to be loud and proud then good for them, but I can understand it if they prefer to keep it quiet. Whereas, at least around me, now, I think you can come out as gay w…

Yeah, I think the 2nd type of relationship is much worse than no relationship, I'd say the problem there wouldn't be with someone being vulnerable, it's the problem with the relationship...

Yeah, during school it's difficult since you are forced together with potentially toxic people. As an adult you can choose at least in personal life and to an extent workplace, although sometimes workplace can also be difficult to get right.

I'd 100% rather be alone than around people who might judge or use in someway against me anything about me. It would feel internally disgusting for me to think that someone might be trying to get at my expense and that I'm not around people who are there to try and build each other. What a waste of time.

Re: Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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There was certainly quite a bit of deep talk about "integrity" and "character" in our grandfathers' generation, that was ultimately relating to issues we would now comprise under so-called 'mental health'. It's not clear to me that this medicalized framing ("...health") is necessarily and consistently better than a more traditional one focused on developing a well-adjusted character.

Integrity and character are about values and how you plan to behave and expect to have others behave towards you. They are not the same as your ability to process emotions that emerge as a result of that behaviour. Having values is important. Integrity, humility, all of that, absolutely useful. They are not in themselves sufficient to assure you of good mental health.

We care about the smooth processing of emotions, among other reasons, because when impeded it generally affects how we're going to plan and behave; especially when under some sort of stress. This is not something new to our generation; philosophers have had a clear undestanding of this for millennia, in both Western and Eastern philosophical traditions.

Re: Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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Yet the UK was most successful when led by people from that system.

Only if you think a large empire is the epitome of success. People have a tendency to look at the cruelest warriors of history and think that is success. Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar or Napoleon are not something to emulate. They were successful by causing horrific pain to a lot of people.

Success and greatness of historical figures do not mean they were moral heroes although people would like you to believe otherwise. King Example XIV of the 15th century might have been a really good guy but he never did anything so nobody knows or cares about him. His half brother and uncle killed him and invaded and subjugated 6 neighbouring states but was less bad then everyone else at the time so he's great and successful instead of a villain. I don't think there are rules, but i think anyone who generally advances progress instead of reversing it is considered great. Genghis Khan as far as i know didn't so he isn't. Julius Caesar did so he is.

Re: Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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Also why I enjoyed House which is basically modern Sherlock Holmes in a medical setting

The American series (House and Elementary) has the advantage of more seasons and episodes, which I think is sometimes required to showcase the challenges of drug addiction and mental health. The fact that these characters having to come back to face the same problem over and over again episode after episode is more true to the nature of the mental health problem itself. BBC Sherlock has too little episodes to bring a…

BBC Sherlock also slowly morphed him into a less empathic version of the Doctor from Doctor Who.

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Quite the opposite in fact. Throughout history the most successful artists have been the well funded ones.

The most miserable people I've known were rich people's children. Depression is more about the lack of hope than money.

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Re: Arthur Conan Doyle explored men’s mental health through Sherlock Holmes

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Quite the opposite in fact. Throughout history the most successful artists have been the well funded ones.

The most miserable people I've known were rich people's children. Depression is more about the lack of hope than money.

You probably don't know very many poor people then, because poverty, food insecurity, physical insecurity, homelessness, job loss are all very common depression triggers. It's just that these cases don't make the front page of newspapers at the same rate as celebrities committing suicide.
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