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KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by 0134340 »

panzi wrote: post #38
bboozzoo wrote: post #31

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But it's coming anyway, whether people like it or not. FWIW, it is my understanding that XWayland is still supported, so it's not like your apps will stop working.

My problems with Wayland are KDE specific. I tired it, but there where so many window management regressions and sometimes graphical glitches that I switched back. But that was under plasma 6.4. Have to try again now on 6.5 to see if these issues are fixed. If not I should write a bug report, I guess. Also there needs to be an alternative for (or patch to) simplescreenrecorder that works under Wayland. I don't want u…

I'm not sure about SSR currently but Kooha and KDE's own Spectacle work on Wayland fine. I'm running Plasma 6.5 on Arch and very pleased with it.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by lousken »

greenavocado wrote: post #147

KeepassXC (a must-have application and dealbreaker) is still broken on Wayland. The recommended "solution" is to edit the .desktop file to resemble the following: QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland ECORE_EVAS_ENGINE=wayland_egl ELM_ENGINE=wayland_egl SDL_VIDEODRIVER=wayland _JAVA_AWT_WM_NONREPARENTING=1 keepassxc https://github.com/keepassxreboot/keepassxc/issues/2973

QT6 port is still not ready https://github.com/keepassxreboot/keepassxc/pull/11651

The main issue for me with keepassxc is the broken autotype on wayland

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by perihelions »

vrmiguel wrote: post #113
brooke2k wrote: post #35

That's extremely disappointing. Wayland has gotten a lot better but there are still many, many instances where I have to switch into an X11 session in order to play certain games (especially older ones). I am a huge fan of KDE but this may actually force me to switch to something else :(

These older games don't run fine with Xwayland?

I have a modern one with a mouse-event bug specific to Wayland, that still presents in XWayland windows. Switched to KDE/X11 just to work around it (so, not exactly enthused to see this news item on HN).

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by estebank »

ottah wrote: post #101
gary_0 wrote: post #61

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> what's so wrong with X11 so people need to replace it 1. Security - Any program using X11 can read keystrokes, passwords, or the contents of any other window. Fixing this would break all existing X11 applications. 2. Performance - X11's client-server model doesn't work with hardware accelerated graphics, requiring hacks to get around. X11 is basically stuck with this legacy. The ground-up re-design of X11 to fix th…

I 100% agree with the performance improvement goals, but I think the security claims are overblown, and overly cautious. I honestly don't understand the point of trying to implement the security boundary in the display manager. It solves one class of security issues, while breaking a lot of accessibility and automation. The display manager just shouldn't be enforcing rigid per processes security controls, that's bett…

Where in the stack should it be enforced that my cute desktop clock doesn't pull a Copilot and takes a screenshot of the entire desktop every 15 seconds to send to a remote service?

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by [deleted] »

lousken wrote: post #140
prmoustache wrote: post #127

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Apps running in xwayland run the same way as on X11, xwayland being an xserver. Also I don't understand your relation between a vpn and a graphic protocol.

These apps do have GUI, don't you know? Xwayland doesn't solve their issues. Imagine you have Cisco VPN and you want to connect - you connect and then close the dialog. It is just gone. Why? On wayland no tray icon is shown. Now imagine you have Fortigate VPN and you want to connect - you enter the IP address and click connect but nothing really happens. Why? No confirmation dialog was ever displayed in wayland. Now…

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Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by prmoustache »

lousken wrote: post #140
prmoustache wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apps running in xwayland run the same way as on X11, xwayland being an xserver. Also I don't understand your relation between a vpn and a graphic protocol.

These apps do have GUI, don't you know? Xwayland doesn't solve their issues. Imagine you have Cisco VPN and you want to connect - you connect and then close the dialog. It is just gone. Why? On wayland no tray icon is shown. Now imagine you have Fortigate VPN and you want to connect - you enter the IP address and click connect but nothing really happens. Why? No confirmation dialog was ever displayed in wayland. Now…

If you can use the cli, it is at best mildly annoying but not critical.

Having said that, deprecating x11 completely is the one motivation for dev to fix bugs and/or find ways. Wayland really started to catch up with missing features when some distros like Fedora started using it by default.

If you want to stay on legacy stuff such as x11 while the remaining stuff is fixed, there are plenty of long term support distros out there anyway. You aren't forced to use the latest bleeding edge kde version available.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by kronicum2025 »

kanbankaren wrote: post #108
kronicum2025 wrote: post #97

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I could set my screen to 75%, not really 73% but close may be?

How did you do it? It doesn't allow any value below 100%?

The other commentator is right. I have an AMD graphics card and I can do this as well. https://imgur.com/a/7mjm8O9

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by lousken »

prmoustache wrote: post #166
lousken wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These apps do have GUI, don't you know? Xwayland doesn't solve their issues. Imagine you have Cisco VPN and you want to connect - you connect and then close the dialog. It is just gone. Why? On wayland no tray icon is shown. Now imagine you have Fortigate VPN and you want to connect - you enter the IP address and click connect but nothing really happens. Why? No confirmation dialog was ever displayed in wayland. Now…

If you can use the cli, it is at best mildly annoying but not critical. Having said that, deprecating x11 completely is the one motivation for dev to fix bugs and/or find ways. Wayland really started to catch up with missing features when some distros like Fedora started using it by default. If you want to stay on legacy stuff such as x11 while the remaining stuff is fixed, there are plenty of long term support distr…

It would be critical if I were to move any non-IT employees from windows to linux.

As said in one of my comments - this could very well mean that the next version of Debian will have KDE Wayland only which would already mean <5years of support today. I am not saying wayland is not catching up, I am saying enterprise apps are the issue.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by panzi »

0134340 wrote: post #161
panzi wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My problems with Wayland are KDE specific. I tired it, but there where so many window management regressions and sometimes graphical glitches that I switched back. But that was under plasma 6.4. Have to try again now on 6.5 to see if these issues are fixed. If not I should write a bug report, I guess. Also there needs to be an alternative for (or patch to) simplescreenrecorder that works under Wayland. I don't want u…

I'm not sure about SSR currently but Kooha and KDE's own Spectacle work on Wayland fine. I'm running Plasma 6.5 on Arch and very pleased with it.

Didn't know Spectacle can do screen recordings now. Just tried it: The "New Recording" button seems to be broken. It does nothing. No error message on the terminal even. Maybe it only works under Wayland?
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