Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

Post by samstave » Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 11:33 PM UTC

larrys wrote: post #34

pg wrote: post #10

We use Lockitron on our offices and it has saved us a lot of trouble. Empirically people are a lot less likely to forget their phone than to forget keys, presumably because you use your phone for so many other things whereas most keys do nothing but get you into a single building.

"Empirically people are a lot less likely to forget their phone than to forget keys," That also varies on whether you drive a car or take public transportation. If you drive, leaving your house requires taking your keys and it becomes a habit. Same with leaving work. If you drove there you need your keys to leave. A good way around forgetting keys also is a realtor style lockbox either on the door or hidden with a sp…

Post by mappu » Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 11:36 PM UTC

mikesun wrote: post #155

rogerbinns wrote: post #140

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There are only 24 possible combinations of a 4 digit code anyway (assuming 4 different digits). I doubt the devices do a lockout on the wrong code, so it wouldn't take that long to hack.

uh, where'd you get 24? how about 10 X 9 X 8 X 7 = 5040 combinations.

Post by rogerbinns » Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 11:48 PM UTC

mappu wrote: post #163

mikesun wrote: post #155

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uh, where'd you get 24? how about 10 X 9 X 8 X 7 = 5040 combinations.

>I've actually encountered keypads where the order didn't actually matter If the order really doesn't matter, then that counts combinations twice (1234, 1243..). There are 10000 possible 4-digit codes, 5040 permutations, and actually 210 combinations.

Post by rtkwe » Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 11:53 PM UTC

stephengillie wrote: post #130

larrys wrote: post #34

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"Empirically people are a lot less likely to forget their phone than to forget keys," That also varies on whether you drive a car or take public transportation. If you drive, leaving your house requires taking your keys and it becomes a habit. Same with leaving work. If you drove there you need your keys to leave. A good way around forgetting keys also is a realtor style lockbox either on the door or hidden with a sp…

I'm really interested in seeing a car lock like Lockitron. "Empirically people are a lot less likely to forget their phone than to forget keys..." Especially with the PhoneWallet. I have my keycard, ID, and ORCA all conveniently on the back of my phone. The same tap gets me into work and pays bus fares. If I didn't have to carry a car key, I would just carry that 1 item.

Post by bdunbar » Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 12:10 AM UTC

mbreese wrote: post #160

run4yourlives wrote: post #151

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Come on, there are probably hundreds of locksmiths in your city right now that could gain access to your front door in a matter of seconds. Given the portability of the device, it's doubtful that lockitron even knows what it's unlocking at any given time.

While a trained locksmith could probably get past my deadbolt, a random hacker from $current_unpopular_country can't. (Note: this isn't counting non-locksmiths that can also pick a lock). So, using something like this does carry a bigger (if slight) risk. I'm not sure if I'd necessarily trust a relatively new company with controlling my deadbolt. Then again, I also have a similar setup using an HID tag reader/arduino…