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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by PeterStuer »

petcat wrote: post #24
nmridul wrote: post #6

> ..... he calls on the EU to activate an existing blocking regulation (Regulation (EC) No 2271/96) for the International Criminal Court, which prevents third countries like the USA from enforcing sanctions in the EU. EU companies would then no longer be allowed to comply with US sanctions if they violate EU interests. Companies that violate this would then be liable for damages. That is from that article..

EU is in a very tough spot right now. They're getting squeezed on all sides economically by USA and China while simultaneously facing a Russian invasion on their eastern borders. The relationship with the American administration has deteriorated badly and any action seen as "retaliation", such as this policy blockade, would almost definitely result in USA withdrawing even more support for Ukraine in the war. I think,…

As a European I can agree with the US and China stuff. But a Russian Invasion? Seriously?

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

sfifs wrote: post #113
hardlianotion wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s kind of hard to see how much more support the US could withdraw from Ukraine, judging by the last article I read that gave Ukraine until Thursday to accept the latest peace deal negotiated between USA and Russia. If we are in the world you describe, EU might as well do as it wants - its downside has been capped.

I'm very surprised the US doesn't seem to be taking the risk of Ukraine becoming a Nuclear Weapons state seriously. By now, they surely would have had time to develop get to the brink of weaponization as a backup plan - they've after all always had a nuclear industry. If they do so and offer cover to their neighbors who realize NATO may not be sufficient, we are in for interesting times.

The ideal scenario would have been if Ukraine had secretly retained 30-100 warheads. Everyone likes to prattle on about how they couldn't even have used them: those people are mentally retarded. A sophisticated government with nuclear and aerospace scientists could have easily dismantled interlocks and installed their own. Maybe not in a hurry, but they had 3 decades more or less. And if they didn't have the expertise, they might have outsourced it to Taiwan for the fee of a few nukes to keep.

Ukraine *desperately* needs to be a nuclear weapons state. Nothing else will suffice. They need more than one bomb, really more than three or four. Putin has to be terrified that no matter how many nuclear strikes he endures, another waits to follow. When he fears that, the war will end.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

chatmasta wrote: post #77
throw0101c wrote: post #47

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> If everyone agreed to arbitrate world matters in the ICC, why even have militaries? That's… kind of the point? To not have to kill and destroy each other to settle disputes.

Yeah sounds great. But it’s hopelessly naive. As soon as someone disagrees, if they have more real power than the ICC, then its enforcement becomes ineffective. You can’t solve disagreements by agreeing to disagree.

International law is inherently more of a social contract than an actual law. That doesn't make it useless because it does have a real effect on how countries behave, but it does mean that enforcement looks more like getting ostracized than it looks like law enforcement.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by overfeed »

throw-the-towel wrote: post #127
insane_dreamer wrote: post #122

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What actually happened to the nukes the Ukrainians had? Were they transferred to the US? Destroyed?

Those were Soviet nukes, physically located in Ukraine but not controlled by it, same as any French/US nukes stationed in Germany would not make it a nuclear state. The ones in Ukraine got moved into Russia, in exchange for Ukraine receiving money and security guarantees.

> Those were Soviet nukes, physically located in Ukraine but not controlled by it, same as any French/US nukes stationed in Germany would not make it a nuclear state

It's not quite the same, since Ukraine was part of the USSR, and Ukrainian scientists, engineers, and tradesmen contributed to the effort. Germany, on the other hand, was never part of the American federation, and didn't contribute to American weapons development...since Wernher von Braun/Operation Paperclip.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

GJim wrote: post #128
petcat wrote: post #106

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> China becomes the world's #1 superpower, while EU remains undisputable #2 How does EU even remotely benefit from this bizarre fantasy scenario where it flips alliances toward China? The fundamentals don't change. EU has no tech and doesn't produce anything. China would only exploit the partnership even more than they already do.

> EU has no tech and doesn't produce anything. What a poor attempt at trolling!

I would be curious if the volume of domestically produced goods exceeds the quantity of Chinese-produced goods in Europe. If one excludes food and automobiles, then I suspect very strongly that this is not the case at all, regardless of how you measure the quantity (euro value, volume, weight, etc).

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by yodsanklai »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #4
enlguy wrote: post #3

Only the U.S. would actually sanction someone for trying to indict a war criminal.

I don't think that's true. Lots of countries out there led by thugs. It used to be that the US stood out because it took the law seriously and believed in its ideals to do the right thing (not that it always succeeded, but it did its best). Looks like that time has passed.

> believed in its ideals to do the right thing

Do the right thing to serve their own interests.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by wat10000 »

immibis wrote: post #117
sfifs wrote: post #113

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I'm very surprised the US doesn't seem to be taking the risk of Ukraine becoming a Nuclear Weapons state seriously. By now, they surely would have had time to develop get to the brink of weaponization as a backup plan - they've after all always had a nuclear industry. If they do so and offer cover to their neighbors who realize NATO may not be sufficient, we are in for interesting times.

Ukraine WAS a nuclear weapons state, until the US agreed to protect them from Russia with the US's nuclear weapons, if they gave up their own.

The US did not agree to protect them. The signatures to the Budapest Memorandum agreed to respect Ukraine's sovereignty. Of the signatories, Russia is the only one that has violated the agreement.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by [deleted] »

guerby wrote: post #157
throw-the-towel wrote: post #132

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Still under Yeltsin, 1994 I think. If you've heard about the Budapest Memorandum, that's exactly what it was about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum Signed 5 December 1994 1. Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders (in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act).[10] 2. Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories to the memorandum, and undertake that none of their weapons will ever be used agai…

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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by atoav »

PeterStuer wrote: post #161
petcat wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU is in a very tough spot right now. They're getting squeezed on all sides economically by USA and China while simultaneously facing a Russian invasion on their eastern borders. The relationship with the American administration has deteriorated badly and any action seen as "retaliation", such as this policy blockade, would almost definitely result in USA withdrawing even more support for Ukraine in the war. I think,…

As a European I can agree with the US and China stuff. But a Russian Invasion? Seriously?

As another European: Yes?

Invasion doesn't have to mean they plan to roll tanks all the way to Paris.

Have you realized Russian agents blew up a train in Poland this week, after some weeks prior flying planes and drones into NATO airspace and disrupting air travel in Denmark with drones started from shadow fleet tankers. The grounds for further action are being tested as we speak.

Invasion just means Russian soldiers enter Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Finnland. Countries parts of which Putin painted rightfully Russian territories in his speeches. I wouldn't bet a lot on that not happening, especially if the geopolitical situation deteriorates in favor of Putin.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by yodsanklai »

embedding-shape wrote: post #22
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's true. Lots of countries out there led by thugs. It used to be that the US stood out because it took the law seriously and believed in its ideals to do the right thing (not that it always succeeded, but it did its best). Looks like that time has passed.

> It used to be that the US stood out because it took the law seriously and believed in its ideals to do the right thing I think it looked like that, because the US always been very effective at propaganda, and until the internet and the web made it very easy for people to communicate directly with each other without the arms of media conglomerates. It's now clearer than ever that US never really believed in its own…

I don't think it took the web to understand that. Trump just made it more obvious.
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