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Re: Gemini 3

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"AI Overviews now have 2 billion users every month." "Users"? Or people that get presented with it and ignore it?

"Since then, it’s been incredible to see how much people love it. AI Overviews now have 2 billion users every month."

Cringe. To get to 2 billion a month they must be counting anyone who sees an AI overview as a user. They should just go ahead and claim the "most quickly adopted product in history" as well.

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I'm not familiar enough with CAD what type of format is it?

It’s not a format, but in my mind it implies designs that are supposed to be functional as opposed to models that are meant for virtual games. It generated a blender script that makes the model.

I would have used OpenSCAD for that purpose.

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#164
I am personally impressed by the continued improvement in ARC-AGI-2, where Gemini 3 got 31.1% (vs ChatGPT 5.1's 17.6%). To me this is the kind of problem that does not lend itself well to LLMs - many of the puzzles test the kind of thing that humans intuit because of millions of years of evolution, but these concepts do not necessarily appear in written form (or when they do, it's not clear how they connect to specific ARC puzzles).

The fact that these models can keep getting better at this task given the setup of training is mind-boggling to me.

The ARC puzzles in question: https://arcprize.org/arc-agi/2/

Re: Gemini 3

#165
What is Gemini 3 under the hood? Is it still just a basic LLM based on transformers? Or are there all kinds of other ML technologies bolted on now? I feel like I've lost the plot.

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Why is this particular benchmark important?

Thus far, this is one of the best objective evaluations of real world software engineering...

Idk, Sonnet 4.5 score better than Sonnet 4.0 on that benchmark, but is markedly worse in my usage. The utility of the benchmark is fading as it is gamed.

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It’s not a format, but in my mind it implies designs that are supposed to be functional as opposed to models that are meant for virtual games. It generated a blender script that makes the model.

Did your prompt instruct it to use blender?

Yes. I’ve been working and refining the prompt for some time now (months). It’s about 10k tokens now.

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#168

> The Gemini app surpasses 650 million users per month, more than 70% of our Cloud customers use our AI, 13 million developers have built with our generative models, and that is just a snippet of the impact we’re seeing Not to be a negative nelly, but these numbers are definitely inflated due to Google literally pushing their AI into everything they can, much like M$. Can't even search google without getting an AI re…

> Gemini app surpasses 650 million users per month Unless these numbers are just lies, I'm not sure how this is "pushing their AI into everything they can". Especially on iOS where every user is someone who went to App Store and downloaded it. Admittedly on Android, Gemini is preinstalled these days but it's still a choice that users are making to go there rather than being an existing product they happen to user oth…

I don't know for sure but they have to be counting users like me whose phone has had Gemini force installed on an update and I've only opened the app by accident while trying to figure out how to invoke the old actually useful Assistant app

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How can you be sure that your benchmark is meaningful and well designed? Is the only thing that prevents a benchmark from being meaningful publicity?

I didn't tell you what you should think about the model. All I said is that you should have your own benchmark. I think my benchmark is well designed. It's well designed because it's a generalization of a problem I've consistently had with LLMs on my code. Insofar that it encapsulates my coding preferences and communication style, that's the proper benchmark for me.

I asked a semi related question in a different thread [0] -- is the basic idea behind your benchmark that you specifically keep it secret to use it as an "actually real" test that was definitely withheld from training new LLMs?

I've been thinking about making/publishing a new eval - if it's not public, presumably LLMs would never get better at them. But is your fear that generally speaking, LLMs tend to (I don't want to say cheat but) overfit on known problems, but then do (generally speaking) poorly on anything they haven't seen?

Thanks

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45968665

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