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Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by doublerabbit »

spwa4 wrote: post #111
ticulatedspline wrote: post #85

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maybe to stop the .01%. switching to app only, sign in only would get them pretty much all the way there. They own the os, with sign-in, integrity checks, and the inability to install anything on it Google doesn't want you to install they could make it pretty much impossible to view the videos on a device capable of capturing them for the vast majority of people. Combine that with a generation raised in sandboxes and…

"their" content? This is Youtube. Of course, the same can be said for FB, Tiktok, instagram, Pintrest, reddit, ... and I'm sure the list keeps going. Frankly, Youtube is pretty damn good about this, really.

No where else to go that pays. They can pay which entices those to stay.

Google owns that monopoly.

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by kawsper »

psychoslave wrote: post #116
Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #51

I remember when QuickTime came out in 1991 and it was obvious to everyone that video should be copied, pasted and saved like any arbitrary data. It's absolutely insane to me how bad the user experience is with video nowadays, even video that's not encumbered by DRM or complex JavaScript clients.

Yes, I see Youtube going deep into enshitiffication. On my Macbook this morning with a FF-dev edition it just stopped to work this morning. Don't know if it's related to the fact I tried to install an extension to "force H264" on my Ubuntu box. On the latter fans started to go crazy as soon as I open a single youtube tab lately and a quick research led me there. Actually at this point the only thing that makes the go…

It’s not just you. My Firefox, with no extensions, have struggled on YouTube the past weeks.

Sometimes I can’t even click on the front page, sometimes when I open a video it refuses to play.

I don’t know what’s up, but it works in chrome.

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by a012 »

ge96 wrote: post #91
cantor_S_drug wrote: post #90

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You are a digital hoarder. I have taken so many pics that I wouldn't even bother to look back that them (do we ever?) but Google memories is really a neat feature, it refreshes memories. I think you should run a similar service to refresh memory of your favourite videos like they are on speed dail.

I compulsively take pictures of the sky, same never to be looked at

I take pictures of the sky, not to post it somewhere immediately but it’s like documentary captures for later years looking back

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by vladms »

guardian5x wrote: post #141
Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #51

I remember when QuickTime came out in 1991 and it was obvious to everyone that video should be copied, pasted and saved like any arbitrary data. It's absolutely insane to me how bad the user experience is with video nowadays, even video that's not encumbered by DRM or complex JavaScript clients.

Back then, the focus was on optimising for the user. Now, however, companies prioritise their own interests over the user.

Indeed, the good old days when "optimizing for the user" got us... Windows 3.1 (release date April 6, 1992 , ref https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_vers...) or the first version of Linux - which I did not have the honor to use but I can imagine how user friendly it was considering what I ended up using couple of years later (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Linux)

/s

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by Arainach »

titzer wrote: post #113
Arainach wrote: post #30

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>outright blocking adblockers, which has no bearing on youtube's service The scale of data storage, transcoding compute, and bandwidth to run YouTube is staggering. I'm open to the idea that adblocking doesn't have much effect on a server just providing HTML and a few images, but YouTube's operating costs are (presumably, I haven't looked into it) staggering and absolutely incompatible with adblocking.

> (presumably, I haven't looked into it) YouTube broke even sometime around 2010 and has been profitable ever since. The ad revenue has always been more than enough to sustain operating costs. It's just more growthism = more ads. If you want the YouTube of 2010--you know, the product we all liked and got used to--you can't have it. Welcome to enshittification. Personally I find YouTube unusable without an adblocker.…

You can absolutely have that. You can pay for YouTube Premium and you don't get ads. It's shockingly reasonable in my opinion* - dollars spent to hours I watch, it's my personal best value streaming service.

*Bias disclaimer: I work for Alphabet. Not for YouTube. There's no employee discount, I pay full price for YTP.

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by throw-qqqqq »

fragmede wrote: post #144
throwaway94275 wrote: post #101

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1991 was the vibrant, exciting, crazy "adolescence" of the PC age and well into the period where it was cool to have a desktop PC and really learn about it. Phones are dominant now and have passed the PC generation by - in number, not capability. The concept of copy/paste/save for arbitrary data lives on for the non-tech masses only in the form of screenshots and screen recording features.

"Fitting into my pocket so I can use it in line at the post office" is a capability that desktop PCs have yet to manage to achieve.

But are DRM and poor user experiences hard requirements for something to fit in your pocket?

Otherwise, I don’t think I get your point - maybe you could clarify?

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Post by anamexis »

moralestapia wrote: post #124
anamexis wrote: post #66

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> And yet, none of Google's 900k TOC genius engineers have thought of this as a feature ... Isn’t that the YouTube Music app?

No.

How so? What’s missing?

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by oblio »

goku12 wrote: post #97
oblio wrote: post #39

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Think of iOS. You can basically use just 1 programming stack on iOS devices: Swift/Objective-C. You can't have JIT except for the JIT approved by the Apple Gods. The biggest hack to this is React Native, which barged just in due to sheer Javascript and web dominance elsewhere, and even that has a ton of problems. Plus I'm fairly sure that the React Native JS only runs in the JIT approved by the Apple Gods, anyway. Ot…

> Plus we have tons of very promising battery techs very close to increasing battery capacities by 20-50%. Could you elaborate a bit, please? Any links are appreciated.

https://www.androidauthority.com/silicon-carbon-batteries-ex...

Silicon Carbon batteries. And others, but this tech is already in production.

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by lenkite »

fragmede wrote: post #144
throwaway94275 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1991 was the vibrant, exciting, crazy "adolescence" of the PC age and well into the period where it was cool to have a desktop PC and really learn about it. Phones are dominant now and have passed the PC generation by - in number, not capability. The concept of copy/paste/save for arbitrary data lives on for the non-tech masses only in the form of screenshots and screen recording features.

"Fitting into my pocket so I can use it in line at the post office" is a capability that desktop PCs have yet to manage to achieve.

"Fitting into my carry-bag so I can use it in line at the post office" is already possible for a PC and many people do it all the time.
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