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Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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Re: Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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In EU? Where are you located?

I’m in France. I don’t get 30 a day, but at least 2 to 5. I automatically ignore unknown callers and my voice mail message basically says to send a SMS instead.

My Android phone has a feature to not ring unless the number is in my contacts OR they call twice in 15 minutes and my voice mail message tells people to call me twice to reach me. The scammers never do.

Re: Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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> "significantly" is 50%, but still nowhere near 1 channel per network even if all networks cooperated. 5Ghz has 500Mhz worth of total bandwidth, while 6Ghz has (in US/CA, and hopefully in EU eventually) 1200Mhz. That's over double . 6Ghz has more 160Mhz channels (7) than 5Ghz has 80Mhz channels (6).

so in reality you're 1 channel up over 6GHz becasue people are not buying wifi6 router to stay on 80MHz channel

Completely independent of bandwidth, higher frequencies also fall off faster. That's bad if you are trying to cover max space but good if you are trying to avoid noisy neighbors.

Re: Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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> estadounidenses And in French the inhabitants of "les Etats-Unis" are "Etats-uniens". I've taken the habit of referring to them as USAians, which often gets negative reactionsand remains rare - but I find it is the most accurate demonym and I'll keep pushing it. I look forward to the world inventing demonyms for the citizens of the European Union, because at least it will mean that our emerging national body is get…

> I look forward to the world inventing demonyms for the citizens of the European Union, because at least it will mean that our emerging national body is getting mindshare ! USA is a country and EU is not

The European Union is an emerging country - it is my country. For now, many don't yet understand how common necessity binds us, and some remain under the illusion that they can make it alone against China and the USA, but ever closer union is real and whoever has been on Erasmus student exchange knows we are one people. On my French passport, "Union Européenne" is written above "République Française" - that is the hierarchy. A nation is people who will to live together, and the European Union is that... The rest is a couple treaties and a few decades away !

Re: Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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Few people have phone landlines anymore in India, but wired broadband to the home is not uncommon. It would be annoying to not then be able to have a home WiFi 6G router. Mobile data is cheap, but broadband is much cheaper.

Given we know 5Ghz can give us like 600Mbps real world on 80Mhz channels, would a fixed line in India typically be above that speed? Is it all GPON these days or still DSL/WISP type stuff?

> would a fixed line in India typically be above that speed?

My family lives outside of a tier 2 city border, in what used to be farmland in the 90s.

They have Asianet FTTH at 1Gbps, but most of the video/streaming traffic ends at the CDN hosts in the same city.

That CDN push to the edge is why Hotstar is faster to load there - the latency on seeks isn't going around the planet.

Re: Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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I wish govt would put a condition on the mobile carriers to fix SS7 vulnerabilities.

Carriers will never fix issues that they have a revenue stream off of. They sell services to detect call forwarding attacks, sim swap attacks etc to banks and other services.

Its like robocalling, fraud texts and calls you received. Carriers can't sell services to filter them if they fix the issues that allow these to happen in the first place.

Way to fix it is to make the carrier liable. It will be fixed instantly.

Re: Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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Given we know 5Ghz can give us like 600Mbps real world on 80Mhz channels, would a fixed line in India typically be above that speed? Is it all GPON these days or still DSL/WISP type stuff?

> would a fixed line in India typically be above that speed? My family lives outside of a tier 2 city border, in what used to be farmland in the 90s. They have Asianet FTTH at 1Gbps, but most of the video/streaming traffic ends at the CDN hosts in the same city. That CDN push to the edge is why Hotstar is faster to load there - the latency on seeks isn't going around the planet.

That is really cool, but sad to see it's only at around 15% penetration.

Re: Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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For better or worse mobile companies will probably make a more efficient use of the space in a country like India at a practical level. I can at least see why you might do this. I don't know anything really about India's telecoms market, but I know in other 'similar' countries you can buy a mobile phone data plan for like a couple/few dollars a month, but a fixed line is 10X that. You could argue it's not very progre…

Few people have phone landlines anymore in India, but wired broadband to the home is not uncommon. It would be annoying to not then be able to have a home WiFi 6G router. Mobile data is cheap, but broadband is much cheaper.

Mobile doesn't scale for densely populated mega cities. The signal also doesn't penetrate glass and concrete very well.

Re: Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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Sure obviously giving it to WiFi and then installing town wide free WiFi would be the absolute most efficient option but I'm trying to stay realistic.

I never said anything about free or government-run WiFi, just about auctioning off the spectrum. Companies that build out the infrastructure should be able to charge for access, but they shouldn't be able to prevent others from competing by paying the government for exclusivity. That's a scam.

It's a technical/commercial necessity to have exclusive use over the spectrum in a given area. If you don't believe me why doesn't every city in the world have a paid wifi network? With 5Ghz it should be faster than typical 4G/5G speeds, and it only needs lampost level APs, pretty similar to the microcells that carriers deploy but an order of magnitude cheaper. Instead mobile carriers would rather buy 3 or 6ghz spectrum that only ever gets used in cities anyway, why not wifi in the cities?

ISM is tragedy of the commons; make it free, let anyone do anything and it becomes junk. Carriers need something they have exclusive use of.

Re: Europe to decide if 6 GHz is shared between Wi-Fi and cellular networks

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Few people have phone landlines anymore in India, but wired broadband to the home is not uncommon. It would be annoying to not then be able to have a home WiFi 6G router. Mobile data is cheap, but broadband is much cheaper.

Mobile doesn't scale for densely populated mega cities. The signal also doesn't penetrate glass and concrete very well.

5-6Ghz, certainly, lower frequencies do though. This is why T-mobile offers home broadband using their 5G network (which can support up to 1M devices per square km) in the US; they overbuilt, and have many smaller cells with lots of capacity and are undersubscribed, and monetize the remaining capacity using lowest priority fixed broadband.

One could see India deploying the same density compatible infrastructure in the usual "leapfrog" model of skipping lesser technology implementations in this space.

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