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Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by Melatonic »

SchemaLoad wrote: post #110
chis wrote: post #91

It's so insane that they let things go this far. It could have been immediately obvious to those involved that cell phones in class would have immensely negative effects. I mean they talk about a lunch room "quiet enough to hear a pin drop"?? I think I learned half my basic social skills from lunch rooms in school. That time period is probably more important than any of the classes themselves.

I feel like we have had a long history of overreacting to new things. "D&D is the devil", "Rock music is evil", etc. But we have just encountered one of the rare times where something new actually was harmful. But it rolled in so rapidly that it was universal before we had the chance to push back. I think chatbots and AR glasses are going to supercharge these social problems at a rate much faster than phones and face…

I think it will eventually settle into a net positive - we're just in the Wild West of smartphones still.

I try to use my phone less and less but as someone who loves photography the ability to take a raw photo and edit on my phone is amazing.

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Post by SchemaLoad »

someNameIG wrote: post #148
echelon wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But we have just encountered one of the rare times where something new actually was harmful. Next let's ban kids from social media. Or better yet, let's tax social media as a negative externality. Anything with an algorithmic feed, engagement algorithm, commenting/voting/banning, all hooked up to advertising needs to pay to fix the harm it's causing. They're about as bad as nicotine and lung cancer. They've taken p…

> Next let's ban kids from social media. We are here in Australia from the 10th December this year.

I'm interested to see where this goes. I don't like how it's likely reducing privacy the internet. But social media is obviously a threat so serious that it might be worth the costs.

I've also been thinking that perhaps social media platforms should start displaying some kind of indicator when a poster is from out of your country. So when foreign troll farms start political posting you can see more clearly they aren't legitimate. I suspect that social media is largely to blame for the insane politics of the world right now.

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Post by Dusseldorf »

iknowstuff wrote: post #130
echelon wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But we have just encountered one of the rare times where something new actually was harmful. Next let's ban kids from social media. Or better yet, let's tax social media as a negative externality. Anything with an algorithmic feed, engagement algorithm, commenting/voting/banning, all hooked up to advertising needs to pay to fix the harm it's causing. They're about as bad as nicotine and lung cancer. They've taken p…

ChatGPT "caught on fire" faster than iPhones.

It absolutely did not. ChatGPT is free to use and most people I know have barely engaged with it beyond a few queries once or twice to try it.

When the iPhone came out, nearly everyone I knew dumped hundreds of dollars to get one (or a droid) within 2 years.

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Post by fn-mote »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #132
SchemaLoad wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like we have had a long history of overreacting to new things. "D&D is the devil", "Rock music is evil", etc. But we have just encountered one of the rare times where something new actually was harmful. But it rolled in so rapidly that it was universal before we had the chance to push back. I think chatbots and AR glasses are going to supercharge these social problems at a rate much faster than phones and face…

Sports gambling is astoundingly popular for teen boys. Already the prevalence of zero sum games like crypto and day trading was getting to be too trendy for teenagers, and this shit just supercharges it.

> prevalence of zero sum games like crypto and day trading

Calling day trading “zero sum” seems like a huge stretch. To get the sum to be zero you need to include everyone involved in the market: institutional investors, hedge funds, etc. Somewhere between 87 and 95 percent of day traders lose money.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by fn-mote »

bogwog wrote: post #157
chis wrote: post #91

It's so insane that they let things go this far. It could have been immediately obvious to those involved that cell phones in class would have immensely negative effects. I mean they talk about a lunch room "quiet enough to hear a pin drop"?? I think I learned half my basic social skills from lunch rooms in school. That time period is probably more important than any of the classes themselves.

I wonder how long until they do the same to AI in schools?

How in the world would you keep AI out of schools?

Ok, turn off the internet. And ban the cell phones.

I suppose a district could block the known AI providers, so kids could only use AI at home. I’m very skeptical this would eliminate the negatives.

On the contrary, every administrator I know of is gung-ho about the coming improvements in education driven by AI. (There certainly are SOME, but it comes with minuses.)

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Post by bdangubic »

Dusseldorf wrote: post #163
iknowstuff wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT "caught on fire" faster than iPhones.

It absolutely did not. ChatGPT is free to use and most people I know have barely engaged with it beyond a few queries once or twice to try it. When the iPhone came out, nearly everyone I knew dumped hundreds of dollars to get one (or a droid) within 2 years.

“most people I know” argument always wins :)

most people I know spend $500+/month and use ai 8-10/hrs per day

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by SR2Z »

squigz wrote: post #113
SR2Z wrote: post #99

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Asociality is not the same thing as social harmony. It's not better for children if their shithead peers are replaced with smartphones. The unfortunate truth is that cliquey behavior and bullying are some of things that children have to be exposed to - you won't come out of school as a fully-capable human being unless you've spent the last several years being exposed to a ton of different adult emotions.

It might be better if those shithead peers are replaced with supportive peers who happen to be elsewhere in the world.

I've had plenty of friends I've only known through the internet and a chat room. It's not the same as being in-person - I don't see a way to reliably turn out healthy adults unless kids talk to each other.

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Post by [deleted] »

SR2Z wrote: post #167
squigz wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be better if those shithead peers are replaced with supportive peers who happen to be elsewhere in the world.

I've had plenty of friends I've only known through the internet and a chat room. It's not the same as being in-person - I don't see a way to reliably turn out healthy adults unless kids talk to each other.

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Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by paulddraper »

hamdingers wrote: post #150
SchemaLoad wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like we have had a long history of overreacting to new things. "D&D is the devil", "Rock music is evil", etc. But we have just encountered one of the rare times where something new actually was harmful. But it rolled in so rapidly that it was universal before we had the chance to push back. I think chatbots and AR glasses are going to supercharge these social problems at a rate much faster than phones and face…

> But it rolled in so rapidly that it was universal before we had the chance to push back. This can't be it. I was in high school when smartphones were coming out and there was zero tolerance for them or any other electronic devices (dumbphones, ipods, palm pilots, etc) in the classroom. I don't know when or why it happened but allowing smartphones in school was a conscious choice and a policy change.

Agreed.

There existed a period of time where handheld communication devices existed and were banned.

Sometime later, someone somewhere made a conscious choice to change policy. It didn’t just happen.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by drivebyhooting »

echelon wrote: post #124
SchemaLoad wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like we have had a long history of overreacting to new things. "D&D is the devil", "Rock music is evil", etc. But we have just encountered one of the rare times where something new actually was harmful. But it rolled in so rapidly that it was universal before we had the chance to push back. I think chatbots and AR glasses are going to supercharge these social problems at a rate much faster than phones and face…

> But we have just encountered one of the rare times where something new actually was harmful. Next let's ban kids from social media. Or better yet, let's tax social media as a negative externality. Anything with an algorithmic feed, engagement algorithm, commenting/voting/banning, all hooked up to advertising needs to pay to fix the harm it's causing. They're about as bad as nicotine and lung cancer. They've taken p…

I agree but you have to tone down the rhetoric otherwise you won’t persuade anyone who isn’t already convinced.

It’s telling that none of the tech CEOs allow their children to use their wares.

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