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Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by navane »

knlb wrote: post #102
simonw wrote: post #45

Way to undermine an interesting product launch through poorly chosen language: > Let’s be frank the single‑player notebook has felt outdated for a while now. We’re open‑sourcing its successor. Jupyter belongs in the hall of great ideas — alongside “Hello, world.” and “View Source.” If you're trying to reach out to the Python community this is not the way to do it. Completely unnecessary hostile language there! Have s…

The whole post feels like it was edited/modified by ChatGPT; `What we opened — in English, not a changelog`, `Why it matters (no fluff):`, `We are big believers in notebooks — full stop` are patterns that always make me feel like an LLM wrote it (sentence followed by a marketing qualifier). I really liked Deepnote the product when I last used it, but the post definitely feels off.

"We are big believers in notebooks — full stop" could be more succinctly written as "We are big believers in notebooks."

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by matsemann »

bleepblap wrote: post #153
matsemann wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did edit the post..

With no annotations of what was changed or acknowledgment of that things were even changed. I read it originally when it came out, didnt have a chance to respond initially then came back to look through the comments. If there was anything was changed, it's not obviously apparent...

I guess some of you are just looking for ways they are wrong. They can't win.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by coldtea »

matsemann wrote: post #162
bleepblap wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With no annotations of what was changed or acknowledgment of that things were even changed. I read it originally when it came out, didnt have a chance to respond initially then came back to look through the comments. If there was anything was changed, it's not obviously apparent...

I guess some of you are just looking for ways they are wrong. They can't win.

They shouldn't "win" unless they acknowledge the issue.

Merely retroactively changing the post doesn't inspire confidence they now 'get' the value of the Jupyter and its community and respect it

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by jcheng »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #77
drnick1 wrote: post #10

Are there any other people who hate notebooks? Give a plain old script anytime. Run and edit anywhere without extra packages or even a Web browser.

I do think notebooks are very flawed right now even if the concept is sound. Right now they are essentially an IDE without the ability to produce publishable output (you are literally expected to ship the project in the form the IDE works with) and they are not a very good IDE at that. They need reliable dedicated published output fit for general public consumption. This means a static (no backend host required) shar…

Slightly off topic, but I wonder if Quarto would work for you (https://quarto.org, disclaimer, I work for the company that maintains it). You write Markdown files with code blocks, and they're rendered into nice looking documents in a surprising range of possible form factors (see https://quarto.org/docs/gallery/).

You can also use .ipynb files as input instead of Markdown files and output to those same formats.

Traditionally, Quarto executes Python code at render time, but there's an extension called Quarto Live that lets you also incorporate Pyodide code blocks for the reader to use. https://r-wasm.github.io/quarto-live/ (I have not used Quarto Live before and have no idea what the limitations are.)

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by tga »

verdverm wrote: post #52
dbunskoek wrote: post #3

I’m not familiar with Deepnote, but I have quite a lot of experience with Jupyter, and if someone were to ask me if there are more modern alternatives I would immediately point them to marimo ( https://marimo.io/ ). For me marimo is already a successor to Jupyter, it has replaced it entirely for me.

Will github render a Marimo notebook as if it has already been executed, like they do for Jupyter notebooks?

It's not reasonable to expect a source code management system to display the last output of every Python script.

It might have been convenient for Jupyter notebooks, but that was a side effect of what's essentially a negative feature, the last output of every cell being thoroughly mixed with the source code.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by tga »

akshayka wrote: post #125
verdverm wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marimo has been acquired (last week), does the SaaS enshitification pattern give you any pause? https://marimo.io/blog/joining-coreweave

This is Akshay, the original creator of marimo. Our whole team has come over to CoreWeave. We're building a whole lot more, not less, and our number one priority continues to be the open-source. We're also growing the open-source team, i.e. we're hiring.

From the looks of it, CoreWeave is a crypto company now turned AI company, currently offering infrastructure/cloud services. Definitely no focus on data or developer tools. (Also see the recent "CoreWeave is a time bomb" recent articles here, https://hn.algolia.com/?q=CoreWeave).

It's sad Marimo got sucked up into this, I fully expect it will not receive the love and support it deserves, especially now that it was shaping up to be an amazing tool. I can only hope it will fail quickly and painfully, so as to spawn an open source fork that will outlast the AI bubble.

Would love to be wrong.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by redsquirrel12 »

ayhanfuat wrote: post #36

Claiming that the number of job postings mentioning Jupyter has decreased, so Jupyter is no longer popular is not something a company in the data space should do. It is just embarrassing.

At the time when job openings are declining across the board, it's easy to lie with statistics.

It's like publications saying "research discipline X is gaining traction in recent years" based on search matches in PubMed, but not normalizing for the total number of articles submitted increasing.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by redsquirrel12 »

bee_rider wrote: post #19

What’s these folks relationship to Jupyter? I guess they must be some of the really prominent Jupyter developers? Otherwise declaring their system the successor to such a widely used tool seems pretty presumptuous.

AFAIK they have not even tried contributing back to Jupyter.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by bunderbunder »

catlifeonmars wrote: post #46
bunderbunder wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would recommend not making any career pivots to sales or marketing.

Not sure if this is sarcasm, but GP has good taste and when marketing this stuff to developers, you need good taste. Otherwise it just rings hollow, and doesn’t inspire enthusiasm.

It was indeed sarcasm. I suppose after so many years I should know better than to try using humor on Hacker News.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by verdverm »

tga wrote: post #165
verdverm wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will github render a Marimo notebook as if it has already been executed, like they do for Jupyter notebooks?

It's not reasonable to expect a source code management system to display the last output of every Python script. It might have been convenient for Jupyter notebooks, but that was a side effect of what's essentially a negative feature, the last output of every cell being thoroughly mixed with the source code.

You may see it as a negative feature, but i see it as a positive feature. I can push my notebooks to GitHub with the outputs and share them with others. Those people can see what the results are without having to setup and run the notebook.

This is incredibly useful for knowledge sharing and learning

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