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Building a 2.5kWh battery from disposable vapes to power my workshop [video]

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It's the common problem with almost anything in physics or chemistry. The Good Stuff has some horrible flaw that makes it incredibly dangerous. When we invented refrigerators first, they used ammonia as a refrigerant which was awesome at moving heat around. It's still used industrially but people die from ammonia leaks. Then they swapped it for freon, which was just about as good at moving heat around, but rotted hol…

> They're in production today, and will probably be forever. I suspect their days are numbered, because they have become _far_ more expensive to dispose of, and that's only going one direction. > But for high power density, low cost, and and high current applications where you don't have to worry about carrying them or tipping them over, you're going to be stuck with lead in a bucket of acid for a while I suspect. Yo…

> I suspect their days are numbered, because they have become _far_ more expensive to dispose of, and that's only going one direction.

They're insanely easy to recycle. You melt lead, you recast it into new plates. Sulphuric acid is very easy to make, and we need to make a lot of it as part of the process of making fertilisers.

> You'd think, but they _haven't_ seen a lot of use in, say, grid-scale applications.

Every telephone exchange you have ever dialled through is powered by massive lead-acid battery, with cells about the size of a decent microwave oven.

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> They're in production today, and will probably be forever. I suspect their days are numbered, because they have become _far_ more expensive to dispose of, and that's only going one direction. > But for high power density, low cost, and and high current applications where you don't have to worry about carrying them or tipping them over, you're going to be stuck with lead in a bucket of acid for a while I suspect. Yo…

>> But for high power density > You'd think, but they _haven't_ seen a lot of use in, say, grid-scale applications Their power density is integer multiples worse than Li-Ion no matter what you look at. Not to mention numerous other problems. So it's not surprising at all.

> Their power density is integer multiples worse than Li-Ion no matter what you look at. Not to mention numerous other problems. So it's not surprising at all.

Yes, but you can use them in areas where you can't use Li-Ion.

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They are illegal now in the UK.

'illegal' in that manufacturers add on a usb port and the basic board to tick the reusable check box. I'm still seeing almost as many of these cast on the streets as I did a year ago.

All of the disposables I've seen have USB ports for charging because they come with more juice than battery power sufficient to vape it all. You will have to recharge multiple times for one disposable. I'm not in the UK, but I have seen something of a shift to separating the battery component from the vape tank such that you can just buy a new disposable tank and reuse the batteries. Maybe something like that might work in the UK grey areas.

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Shameless plug: we're building a repairable e-bike battery where you can use your own cells at https://infinite-battery.com We worked on a very sturdy casing, with some specific features to release pressure and limit the fire event propagating cell to cell, you can check it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0NXXfCA2CY

Nice.

Thanks! Appreciated

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If you have the space for it, just put it outdoors 5' from anything flammable and you're good to go. This is not a hobby for folks in apartments unfortunately. I've had one of my DIY ebike batteries short and fail spectacularly at near full charge and was able to push it with a broom out of the garage into the driveway before any damage was done. Now I have a bench with wheels that I can take into the driveway for in…

Sounds like it’s also not a hobby for people with neighbors.

Everyone has neighbors. Just depends how close they are.

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My reading of the WEEE directive is that no electrical equipment can be "disposable", it should all be recyclable and recycled. Actual enforcement of this is non-existent. If you see a "disposable" vape discarded in the street, look for the crossed out bin logo.

> no electrical equipment can be "disposable", it should all be recyclable Disposable paper wrappers can be recycled. Is there no disposable paper anymore now?

What?

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Congratulations, welcome to the dev team of Collapse OS. https://collapseos.org/ Now they are more focused on supply chain break down but your scenario would also be valid.

When I think of what's out there I think of cheapy ARMs, maybe STM32 knock offs. Honestly the F103C8T6 is so prolific that's probably a solid chunk of all processors in existence. And then things like ESP32s. So to not see ARM or Tenscillica on there is a bit weird. But maybe I'm reading too much into it and it's more of a thought experiment

https://duskos.org/

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> no electrical equipment can be "disposable", it should all be recyclable Disposable paper wrappers can be recycled. Is there no disposable paper anymore now?

What?

Exactly!

I didn't get that logic either

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Are these rated? My local bike shop won't sell anything without that specific safety rating. I forgot the exact number. I've seen that more and more common lately

Yes! We have the EU certification and are undergoing the UL certification, it should be complete at the end of the year!

Nice. My bike shop will only sell batteries or bikes with UL because their insurance requires it.

Good luck!

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