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Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by zahlman »

nyargh wrote: post #157
zahlman wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you evidence any of that?

75% of ICE detainees have no criminal convictions per ICEs own stats, however they conflate "immigration offenses" like filing errors with illegal entry so its impossible to tell from their own statistics to answer your question. I might also add that, like it or not, asylum claims are a positive defense to illegal entry under US law and you can ONLY claim asylum upon US soil. ICE has extreme arrest quotas now and ar…

> 75% of ICE detainees have no criminal convictions

1. Can you cite this?

2. I assume you mean, for things other than the putative illegal entry itself. Of course, that would still have to be proven, but it is still potentially a criminal matter. Fining people who are legally not entitled to be in the country, does not remedy the fact of them being in the country without legal entitlement.

> however they conflate "immigration offenses" like filing errors with illegal entry

How is this a conflation?

> I work in immigration law and can tell you that nearly all of the people we represent

The selection bias is clear; they're hiring legal representation because they have a case (and because they can afford to).

> ICE has extreme arrest quotas

Can you evidence this?

> violating the due process rights of of immigrants in thr US

What exactly do you consider that these rights consist of, and how are they being violated? Can you evidence this?

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by estearum »

JohnFen wrote: post #128
tootie wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is absolutely insane that the party who tried on the Libertarian mask less than 20 years ago and rode high on a wave of "don't tread on me" individual liberty is now suddenly ok with masked thugs scanning everyone's faces for their master database of enemies of the state.

The generous part of me says this is an example of "you become what you hate". The ungenerous part of me says that all their talk about freedom, liberty, state's rights, etc., has always been a lie.

As someone who grew up in a deep red area full of people with Gadsden flags treading on other people: 100% was always a lie.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by hackingonempty »

boston_clone wrote: post #71

All, I recommend you familiarize yourself with relevant state laws regarding your protections when assisting folks that are in immediate danger, e.g.: https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.200 I'm not a lawyer. So, if you have counsel on retainer and can stomach the bill, get clarity there first. But know that many states have such protections on the books. The veil of immunity for DHS agents may soon be pierced…

You can be arrested and charged with a federal criminal law, 18 USC 111 "assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers or employees." The judge wont entertain your arguments about state law.

Fines and up to 8 years in a federal prison, 20 years if you use a deadly or dangerous weapon or actually inflict injury. You can get up to 15% off for good behavior, there is no parole.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by mrbombastic »

pessimizer wrote: post #154
_yb2s wrote: post #55

Don’t fall for the lie that this is at all about illegal immigration- that is just an excuse for what has become state sponsored KKK style racial terrorism operating completely outside the law. Videos all over the Internet show them violently attacking and terrorizing hispanic looking people with no concern for if they are citizens or not. At the Wilder raid in Idaho they were shooting children with rubber bullets, a…

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“How exactly can they do it if every Democratic-run state and city refuses to comply? How can the democratic will of citizens be carried out?”

If a candidate makes campaign promises that do not work in the framework of our constitution or civil rights that is the candidates problem to figure out, you don’t get to throw away those things because your side won and they make your job hard, that is not how this is supposed to work.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by sowbug »

evanjrowley wrote: post #83
jazzyjackson wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Biometrics are more protected in IL than an other states as well. Facebook settled a big lawsuit just for automatically tagging people (actually the suit was about storing the biometric face data at all without consent)

Legal action against this is going to be a tough, possibly unfeasable battle. Whatever the laws are, they probably contain exceptions for the use of biometrics for law enforcement purposes. In terms of court precedent, biometrics are not protected by the 4th amendment, because your face is not considered a secret that the government could compel you to reveal.

Question for a future (2026?) dystopia: if our faces aren't secret or private for 4A/5A purposes, can we start making them secret/private by walking around in public with a balaclava?

New norms go both ways.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by _yb2s »

pessimizer wrote: post #154
_yb2s wrote: post #55

Don’t fall for the lie that this is at all about illegal immigration- that is just an excuse for what has become state sponsored KKK style racial terrorism operating completely outside the law. Videos all over the Internet show them violently attacking and terrorizing hispanic looking people with no concern for if they are citizens or not. At the Wilder raid in Idaho they were shooting children with rubber bullets, a…

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What I wrote isn’t about democrats vs republicans- it’s about calling out terrorism from white supremacists for what it is- the fact that plenty of democrats are also extremely racist does not change what is actually happening here. They are not selective in only targeting black people- they have expanded that to include middle eastern, hispanic, and LGTBQ people simply because more of them are now visible in this country, with no reduction in their hatred and targeting of black people. We’re talking about the same groups of people doing the same things, now with a BUFF and a tactical vest instead of a white hood. Trump was raised in a KKK household, his dad was arrested at a KKK rally, and both he and his dad were sued and lost for racial discrimination in housing against black people and then ignored the rulings and continued the discrimination. He launched his political career by stoking hatred for a black president. His core supporters are a group of people that never accepted that they lost the civil war, and have been able to continually derail the reconstruction and the civil rights movement to this day. They are putting back up confederate pro slavery statues, and flying confederate flags. The KKK itself is mostly organizationally defunct, but these people are not simply “like the KKK,” they are literally the same people. However, for the first time in US history, they now have essentially complete control over the federal government.

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Post by mctt »

GolfPopper wrote: post #110
jimt1234 wrote: post #62

Don't tread on me. ... Tread on them , just not me.

Ask Pastor Niemöller how well that's likely to work out.

First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me

Pastor Niemöller

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by [deleted] »

zahlman wrote: post #161
nyargh wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

75% of ICE detainees have no criminal convictions per ICEs own stats, however they conflate "immigration offenses" like filing errors with illegal entry so its impossible to tell from their own statistics to answer your question. I might also add that, like it or not, asylum claims are a positive defense to illegal entry under US law and you can ONLY claim asylum upon US soil. ICE has extreme arrest quotas now and ar…

> 75% of ICE detainees have no criminal convictions 1. Can you cite this? 2. I assume you mean, for things other than the putative illegal entry itself. Of course, that would still have to be proven, but it is still potentially a criminal matter. Fining people who are legally not entitled to be in the country, does not remedy the fact of them being in the country without legal entitlement. > however they conflate "im…

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