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Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by Rohansi »

transpute wrote: post #128
Rohansi wrote: post #91

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> Apple explicitly designed in support for booting other operating systems into the M-series chips Don't you think it's interesting that it's an option for Macs but not iPad Pros? They both use the same SoC. > So while they may not be sharing technical documentation/drivers or otherwise making it easy on the Asahi devs, even the famously "walled garden" Apple seems to have explicitly not restricted their new line of…

> an option for Macs but not iPad Pros PTSD can block lights in tunnels. 2024: UTM SE entered iOS App Store, https://www.tomshardware.com/phones/iphone/utm-se-emulator-r... The team implemented a version of the Qemu Tiny-Code Threaded Interpreter (TCTI). Qemu TCTI interprets the code rather than compiling it, allowing Turing Software to get around the JIT ban. Mind you, this results in a rather slow experience even b…

Emulation is completely different to actually running a different OS on your device.

The fact that you need to launch apps through a debugger to enable JIT is hilarious though. Every other platform either allows it all the time or doesn't! I would not count on it staying on the App Store - Apple can remove it whenever they want to

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by mort96 »

Lammy wrote: post #146
mort96 wrote: post #137

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I don't have time to go over everything. But here are some things: * Here's his screed about how London was better before all the brown people moved in: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 * Here's your typical right-wing anti-DEI rant: https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-waning-days-of-dei-s-dominance... I'm sure there's more stuff I could link, but I don't have the time right now to go looking for mor…

You don't seem to understand what fascism actually is. None of these things are that. Even though I disagree with DHH on all of these topics I don't see how it's relevant to Free Software at all unless the distro were using the webcam and IP geolocation and refusing to work for brown people in England.

It's okay for you to disagree with me, I have explained my views.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by fluoridation »

wyager wrote: post #69
fluoridation wrote: post #49

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To clarify, people then and now have in common trying to run the software they prefer on the hardware they prefer. There's no objective "best"; it depends on what you need.

For the vast majority of customers' utility functions, Apple has the best hardware (both in absolute and per dollar terms) on the market right now. It's not "objectively best", but it certainly meets the most stringent definition of "best" that's still useful in conversation.

If that was the case, the vast majority of the world would be using Apple hardware and/or software, and yet that's not the case.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by tomnipotent »

mort96 wrote: post #158
tomnipotent wrote: post #149

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So in other words you've got nothing? There is literally nothing in your links that backs up your claims. So conferences in every western country should also not invite Chinese or Japanese speakers because they hold similar views to DHH? I'm so over this exhausting need to feel self-righteous.

Hm? My claim is that they back Omarchy and DHH, I think my links back that up?

And that is not a transitive property which then means Framework supports fascism. The US buys from China, does that mean we support communism?

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by pmarreck »

mort96 wrote: post #5

I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it with a new MacBook Pro in not too long. But honestly, losing Linux support would be pretty devastating. Docker and virtualization just isn't the same. There's lots of interesting stuff you can do with your hardware in Linux, there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and do…

I have a Framework laptop and it's pretty sweet.

I also own an M4 so I can compare the two.

The M4 wins on slickness due to 1) unibody 2) Apple Silicon (and running local AI models, and the occasional game that is actually optimized for Mac like BG3) 3) excellent screen (HDR, high contrast, etc.), but the Framework wins on cool-ness and, frankly, ethics. (Especially since I put NixOS on it with ZFS-on-root mirrored across 2 internal SSD's.)

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Post by Melonai »

mort96 wrote: post #120
phpnode wrote: post #93

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I don’t see any mention of their explicit support for fascism on their homepage, can you justify this claim?

They haven't exactly been quiet about it. Here are some links; * https://x.com/FrameworkPuter/status/1960029405067313546 * https://x.com/FrameworkPuter/status/1975721241345728683 * https://bsky.app/profile/frame.work/post/3lvm6ahbrf22n * https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-righ...

I don't know... As someone who many people would characterize as "way too woke", this doesn't really quite ruin Framework for me (though I don't own any of their products).

DHH is certainly an ass, and this is my first time reading about the racist stuff (before this I just found him generally extremely unlikable), but just general association with someone with shitty opinions doesn't fully ruin a project for me. I guess Omarchy is popular nowadays (I'm really not sure why, if someone really knows, please explain), people are going to want to use it on their Framework computers, ergo: Framework has a reason to cooperate with Omarchy developers so their devices work like the customers want them to, and I guess I'm fine with it even if DHH leaves a bad taste in my mouth...

I guess I sort of feel similar in regards to suckless, I don't really like most of their projects, from what I've heard there are some abhorrent people involved, but I wouldn't really put blame on the distro maintainer that packages their projects for their users to use, I guess?

Though, I definitely get why people might feel differently.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by NaomiLehman »

linguae wrote: post #136
dangus wrote: post #35

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My advice is if you’re truly a Linux user first, give up the idea that Mac hardware is the only best/acceptable hardware. Break the cycle and don’t just buy Apple because their hardware is 10% better than competitors. The market really isn’t limited to “buying a windows laptop and putting Linux onto it” anymore. Lots of OEMs support Linux as a first-class citizen. For me personally I’m enjoying my Framework laptop a…

I have a Framework 13 that I use as my personal laptop and a work-issued M3 MacBook Pro. I love my Framework 13. I'm a long-time Mac user, but I increasingly found myself alienated by locked-down hardware and increasingly locked-down software, and so I ended up switching back to PCs. I greatly appreciate my Framework 13's user-serviceability. While I use Windows 11 + WSL (Microsoft Office is the main thing holding me…

My beef with the Framework laptops is that their memory bandwidth is 5 to 8 times slower (depending on the generation, CPU, and RAM) than that of a $1,500 refurbished MacBook Pro M1 Max 64GB.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by donaldihunter »

DannyBee wrote: post #84
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #18

They're still working on M1 support. Still no thunderbolt or display port alt mode. Its painful to watch people choose Apple over a user respecting company that supports Linux well

i mean, i did a bunch of the m3 support that m1n1 has, and i did it because it was fun. The reason you get blinking cursor and not linux is because hacking on the linux kernel is decidely less fun (I did a bunch of wifi work).

Oh, that's interesting. Linux kernel hacking is the area where I have the best chance of contributing something. If I can get my m3 max bootstrapped to a blinking cursor then I'd be very happy to participate in kernel work.

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Post by jen20 »

dangus wrote: post #35
mort96 wrote: post #5

I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it with a new MacBook Pro in not too long. But honestly, losing Linux support would be pretty devastating. Docker and virtualization just isn't the same. There's lots of interesting stuff you can do with your hardware in Linux, there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and do…

My advice is if you’re truly a Linux user first, give up the idea that Mac hardware is the only best/acceptable hardware. Break the cycle and don’t just buy Apple because their hardware is 10% better than competitors. The market really isn’t limited to “buying a windows laptop and putting Linux onto it” anymore. Lots of OEMs support Linux as a first-class citizen. For me personally I’m enjoying my Framework laptop a…

> A new battery is DIY, $60, not $250 with a wait for service. Replacing a broken screen is DIY $200, not $700 and a visit to the Apple service depot.

This is a weird assertion to make, if you don't have the parts on hand and can't walk into a store to buy them same-day. A big part of the reason I _do_ buy Apple laptops (besides the fact I do like the OS, battery life and hardware) is that I can walk into an Apple Store in any major city I'm likely to be in and purchase a replacement immediately should disaster strike while I'm traveling.

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Post by johnboiles »

mort96 wrote: post #5

I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it with a new MacBook Pro in not too long. But honestly, losing Linux support would be pretty devastating. Docker and virtualization just isn't the same. There's lots of interesting stuff you can do with your hardware in Linux, there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and do…

> there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and does useful stuff with that

In the past, I've made this specific thing work with USB passthrough, Virtualbox, and external USB WiFi adapters with monitor mode support.

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