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ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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klipklop wrote: post #31

I know this is extreme, but people buying these Xbox handhelds over a Steam Deck are directly harming the future of gaming on PC. It's time that the PC gaming ecosystem breaks free from its dependency on Windows. Proton and SteamOS, combined with the unpopular mess that is Windows 11 is the perfect opportunity to do so. The long-term end goal for Microsoft is to lock down Windows and force signed code. Once users are…

I keep telling folks that Proton was a mistake and SteamDeck will suffer the same fate as netbooks.

FOSS folks don't get that the gammer culture does not overlap with FOSS, everyone is cool with NDAs and IP, it is all about the experience in that realm.

The call to migrate in droves to Linux has been happening since a unpopular Windows version comes out, since Windows XP, and still Valve had to come up with Proton, as even the game studios targeting Android/Linux with the NDK don't care about GNU/Linux.

XBox console is in a mess currently, however lets not forget XBox the business unit is part of Microsoft Games Studios, and Microsoft is one of the major publishers due to the amount of game studios that they own, beyond XBox.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by pjmlp »

dijit wrote: post #152
ndriscoll wrote: post #117

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Kernel-level DRM isn't a chicken/egg problem; it's completely at odds with people who are choosing to run an OS that obeys them instead of some random third party like Microsoft/Google/Apple on hardware they own. Voting with their wallet is precisely what the other user said they do.

I don’t really know who you’re talking to? Your options are, 1. Buy Windows. Means you has absolutely no control. 2. Promote the development of anti-cheat on the linux, where you can not install it because you don’t like it. No idea that you’re arguing against me, when all I’m doing is arguing for increased amount of freedom is tad silly.. no?

Most gamers go with 3., buy a XBox, Playstation, Nintendo, or 4., stick with mobile games, in both cases go with a walled garden solution.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by dijit »

pjmlp wrote: post #162
dijit wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t really know who you’re talking to? Your options are, 1. Buy Windows. Means you has absolutely no control. 2. Promote the development of anti-cheat on the linux, where you can not install it because you don’t like it. No idea that you’re arguing against me, when all I’m doing is arguing for increased amount of freedom is tad silly.. no?

Most gamers go with 3., buy a XBox, Playstation, Nintendo, or 4., stick with mobile games, in both cases go with a walled garden solution.

Yeah, thats a totally fair addition.

In fact, it’s one I chose at home (option 3) because I was unwilling to compromise my computing environment just so I could browse the internet and program on the same device I play games with.

If publishers were comfortable developing for Linux, maybe that would change, I don’t think it has to be so binary as “either you have total control or none at all”, especially since there’s so many non-free components to your system already and multiplayer games are a luxury product (and thus; totally optional).

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by pjmlp »

someNameIG wrote: post #58
vondur wrote: post #30

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I also heard that the PlayStation 5 graphics API's are more optimized to the hardware than DirectX is. Not sure if that's true though.

I've heard that too. And also Xbox had 2 different DirectX APIs, one more customised to the console, and one that's the standard Windows DirectX which is not as performant. From what I've heard most devs used the latter as it made porting the PC version of the game easier, and sales on Xbox would be tiny compared to PlayStation (1/3rd the install base, sales even less than that due to Xbox users not buying games and…

That is quite common in all consoles.

Playstation has LibGNM and LibGNMX, Switch has OpenGL and Vulkan but you really want NVN for every drop of performance

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by dijit »

ndriscoll wrote: post #120
dijit wrote: post #115

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That’s fine, then those games are not available to you. I’ll be honest, no matter how unpopular it is I’m really sorry, but those kind of solutions genuinely are the only way. I’ve said it before on HN, but we really do try everything. And not having anything leads to some of the worst experiences possible. If you genuinely have a better solution, then you are more than welcome to enter the industry and make a signif…

Simple solution that makes everyone happy: make it optional. Anticheat was optional in pretty much every 00s game that had it, and even in the servers that had it disabled, cheating was still rarely an issue. Diablo 2 even let you still bring your single player characters that you could obviously cheat with (which everyone knew from Diablo 1) onto Open Battle.net. Make the Internet optional like it used to be while y…

Interesting thought, maybe I do this in my next game.

I doubt it will show what you expect, but hey, I’ve been wrong before.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by pjmlp »

dijit wrote: post #163
pjmlp wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most gamers go with 3., buy a XBox, Playstation, Nintendo, or 4., stick with mobile games, in both cases go with a walled garden solution.

Yeah, thats a totally fair addition. In fact, it’s one I chose at home (option 3) because I was unwilling to compromise my computing environment just so I could browse the internet and program on the same device I play games with. If publishers were comfortable developing for Linux, maybe that would change, I don’t think it has to be so binary as “either you have total control or none at all”, especially since there’…

The irony is that they already do, that is what Android games developed with NDK are.

So it would be rather easy to port such games to GNU/Linux, they don't bother, because of the cost/benefit in doing so.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by dijit »

pjmlp wrote: post #167
dijit wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, thats a totally fair addition. In fact, it’s one I chose at home (option 3) because I was unwilling to compromise my computing environment just so I could browse the internet and program on the same device I play games with. If publishers were comfortable developing for Linux, maybe that would change, I don’t think it has to be so binary as “either you have total control or none at all”, especially since there’…

The irony is that they already do, that is what Android games developed with NDK are. So it would be rather easy to port such games to GNU/Linux, they don't bother, because of the cost/benefit in doing so.

its not that easy, Androids userland is pretty far from a valid Linux target, there’s a lot of platform hand holding that exists.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by janwl »

ryandrake wrote: post #142
cortesoft wrote: post #135

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I am choosing to let them install kernel level software because I want to be able to play multiplayer games without cheaters. There doesn't seem to be any other way that people have found to effectively block cheaters. A user is in full control of their Linux install, which is great... unless I want to play them in a game and they decide to cheat. It is a tradeoff, yes, but one I choose to make because being able to…

I’d almost be ok with this if the kernel-level malware actually stopped cheaters but it doesn’t! Most (all?) modern multiplayer shooters that employ anti-cheats still are struggling with cheaters. So you get the worst of both worlds: you need to install a rootkit and still have to deal with cheaters. Why do gamers accept this abuse?

Kernel-level anti cheats are not perfect, but they decrease the amount of cheaters to the point where they stop being “common” and become “extremely rare”. An imperfect solution is much better than no solution.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by pjmlp »

dijit wrote: post #168
pjmlp wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony is that they already do, that is what Android games developed with NDK are. So it would be rather easy to port such games to GNU/Linux, they don't bother, because of the cost/benefit in doing so.

its not that easy, Androids userland is pretty far from a valid Linux target, there’s a lot of platform hand holding that exists.

It is the same in what matters, ISO C and ISO C++ support, OpenGL ES, Vulkan, OpenSL ES and OpenMAX.

Much closer than porting Win32/DirectX, LibGNM(X)/OrbisOS and so on.

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