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Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by Teever »

bonoboTP wrote: post #147
Teever wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marconi demonstrated radio in 1895 and the first broadcast radio station started in 1920. By the 1930s Adolf Hitler was routinely using the medium to broadcast vile propaganda about Jews and others which lead to the holocaust in the 1940s. About 40 years later the Rwandan genocide took place and many scholars attribute a preceding radio-based propaganda campaign as playing a key role in increasing ethnic violence in…

It was easy to spread lies through print and through good old fashioned word of mouth too. No radio needed. And apropos radio, the War of the Worlds radio drama in 1938 is know to have made quite some afraid that it's real. And plenty of people collected money in communist Hungary for the sake of the enslaved Isaura (protagonist of a Brazilian soap opera). But most people adjusted and understand that radio dramas are…

You seem to be suggesting that there's no noteworthy difference in the speed and effectiveness of different communication mediums like spoken, written, or radio and as such there's no noteworthy difference in the outcome of their deployment.

Is that a fair assessment of your comment? Is there a way to test your assertion?

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by fishmicrowaver »

bdcravens wrote: post #139

More likely it's the beginning of the end for TikTok, since the amount of posts that use seems to be flooding the platform, lowering trust and credibility in each video.

Hmm I have my doubts. I don't really understand the appeal of hyper-consumerism, brand focus, and big SM platform engagement. But I look over at my wife and she is clearly plugged in to a giant worldwide cultural movement of womens interests, product recommendations, and politics. It also appears to be the case that women are less likely to engage with AI. It's one of the big reasons I think it's a massive blunder to pursue AI erotica. I think a big part of the TikTok user base (women) will have to be persuaded to jump on the AI bandwagon and I'm not sure the industry is pursuing any products or features to woo that market.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by hu3 »

mola wrote: post #50
zerosizedweasle wrote: post #2

"Whether Sora lasts or not, however, is somewhat beside the point. What catches my attention most is that OpenAI released this app in the first place. It wasn’t that long ago that Sam Altman was still comparing the release of GPT-5 to the testing of the first atomic bomb , and many commentators took Dario Amodei at his word when he proclaimed 50% of white collar jobs might soon be automated by LLM-based tools." That'…

I think the motivation for someone like Altman is not AGI, it's power and influence. And when he wields billions he has power, it doesn't really matter if there's AGI coming.

Yep, he just wants to become too big to fail at this point.

I view OpenAI like a pyramid scheme: taking in increasing amounts of money to pursuit ever growing promisses that can be dangled like a carrot to the next investor.

If you owe investors $100 million, that's your problem. If you owe investors $100 billion, that's their problem.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by righthand »

kulahan wrote: post #116
righthand wrote: post #102

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So is spam if you only need a summarized version of the financial difficulties of princes in Nigeria. Or the kinds of people doctors can’t stand. Your jumping off point is a cliff into a pile of leaves. It looks correct and comfy but will hurt your butt taking it for granted. You’re telling people to jump and saying “it’ll get better eventually just keep jumping and ignore the pain!”

Nope, spam is specifically unwanted. Also, I'm saying "jump in the leaves, it's fun if you don't try leaping in from a mile up" and you're saying "NO LEAVES KILL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME" lol.

What if I don’t want to use Llms, but people keep telling me that it’s fine and I should. Isn’t that spam?

What if my reason isn’t, “I like typing code” but instead, “we don’t need more Googles doing Google things and abusing privacy.”

Then personally the whole thing is spam.

Regardless of what the reasons for and against Llms maybe doesn’t obfuscate that the primary use case for generated content has been to scam and spam people.

That spam scam can be simply getting people to pour their personal private info into an Llm or it can be ads or a generated lie. Regardless it’s unwanted to a lot of people. And the history of that tech and attempt at normalizing it are founded in spam techniques.

Even the gratuitous search for AGI is spammed on us as these companies take tax payer money and build out infrastructure that’s actually available to 0% of the public for use.

Like I discredit in my mind anyone that cites Chatgpt as a source.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by bfLives »

hyperpape wrote: post #129
port3000 wrote: post #91

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"Boosting Nvidia stock prices could also be explained by an expectation of increased inference usage by office workers which increases demands for GPUs and justifies datacenter buildouts" AI is already integrated into every single Google search, as well as Slack, Notion, Teams, Microsoft Office, Google Docs, Zoom, Google Meet, Figma, Hubspot, Zendesk, Freshdesk, Intercom, Basecamp, Evernote, Dropbox, Salesforce, Canv…

My experience suffering with JIRA daily is that the AI is useless and fairly easy to ignore. If it were actually helpful, I could imagine using it more, and the costs would increase proportionately.

On the other hand, I’ve found the integration in Confluence quite helpful, particularly for making sense of acronyms.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by bonoboTP »

Teever wrote: post #161
bonoboTP wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was easy to spread lies through print and through good old fashioned word of mouth too. No radio needed. And apropos radio, the War of the Worlds radio drama in 1938 is know to have made quite some afraid that it's real. And plenty of people collected money in communist Hungary for the sake of the enslaved Isaura (protagonist of a Brazilian soap opera). But most people adjusted and understand that radio dramas are…

You seem to be suggesting that there's no noteworthy difference in the speed and effectiveness of different communication mediums like spoken, written, or radio and as such there's no noteworthy difference in the outcome of their deployment. Is that a fair assessment of your comment? Is there a way to test your assertion?

No I'm saying that people adapt, society adapts. Most people today don't shit themselves in the cinema thinking that the monster will appear among them, they understand that characters in TV series are not real and only the mentally ill will berate the actor in the street for yesterday's episode.

It will take some time but it's in fact quite easy to explain it to older relatives if you make a few custom examples.

The bigger point is that realism is a red herring. You can spread propaganda with hand drawn caricatures just as well or even better. It's a panic over nothing. The real lever of control is what news to report on and how to frame it, what quotes to use, which experts to ask and which ones not to. The bottleneck never was at HD realism.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by softwaredoug »

xwowsersx wrote: post #71

This take feels like classic Cal Newport pattern-matching: something looks vaguely "consumerish," so it must signal decline. It's a huge overreach. Whether OpenAI becomes a truly massive, world-defining company is an open question, but it's not going to be decided by Sora. Treating a research-facing video generator as if it's OpenAI's attempt at the next TikTok is just missing the forest for the trees. Sora isn't a p…

I don't think that's fair.

ChatGPT clearly is "for consumers". Whereas Sora is a kind of enshitification to monetize engagement. It's right to question the latter.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by softwaredoug »

The counter argument is that OpenAI has to make fairly bolder moves.

Social was _already_ becoming the domain of AI generated content. In the benign sense, there's been social content of people sharing their silly AI content since early DALL-e. Its a good idea to make a social app that's actually _about that_, because you can remix and play with the content in a novel way.

The first Sora was sort of already going in this direction.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by Teever »

bonoboTP wrote: post #166
Teever wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be suggesting that there's no noteworthy difference in the speed and effectiveness of different communication mediums like spoken, written, or radio and as such there's no noteworthy difference in the outcome of their deployment. Is that a fair assessment of your comment? Is there a way to test your assertion?

No I'm saying that people adapt, society adapts. Most people today don't shit themselves in the cinema thinking that the monster will appear among them, they understand that characters in TV series are not real and only the mentally ill will berate the actor in the street for yesterday's episode. It will take some time but it's in fact quite easy to explain it to older relatives if you make a few custom examples. The…

> they understand that characters in TV series are not real

They do not which is why a reality TV star who is 'good at business' is the current US President.

Reality TV is the old media and people are still falling for it and the consequences of them falling for it will be felt for decades. It will be the same with newer technologies but worse.

The novel threat that something like Sora poses isn't just from realism, it's also from the fast turn around and customized messaging. It will enable the exact things you caution about but at an unprecedented scale.

This idea that it all new media is going to be just another case of 'meet the new boss same as the old boss' is ahistorical and shortsighted.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by [deleted] »

tmaly wrote: post #105
zerosizedweasle wrote: post #2

"Whether Sora lasts or not, however, is somewhat beside the point. What catches my attention most is that OpenAI released this app in the first place. It wasn’t that long ago that Sam Altman was still comparing the release of GPT-5 to the testing of the first atomic bomb , and many commentators took Dario Amodei at his word when he proclaimed 50% of white collar jobs might soon be automated by LLM-based tools." That'…

We were promised AGI and all we are getting is Bob Ross coloring on the walls of a Target store. The app is fun to use for about 10 minutes then that is it. Same goes for Grok imagine. All people want to do is generate NSFW content. What happened to improving the world?

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