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You did no fact checking, and I must scream

shkspr.mobi

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Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

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> The media have comprehensively failed us. Good. The author didn’t make the mistake of calling it the “news”. I have for a long time felt that there is nuance about our “press” that doesn’t have good words in the public dialog. I struggle to articulate it myself. Our modern “free press” is only free in that government is mostly not censoring it. But the press of today is a for profit endeavour. So it is not free to…

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Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

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Friend, I'm not suggesting that at all. I could, though: in no way did you describe any of what you considered to be bad from them. You left it conclusory in such a way that leaves the reader (me) to try to fill the gaps in what you mean. Your aggressive tone doesn't leave much room. And personally, I would never feel confident in being sure that I understand the context of a conversation that I'm not invited to. Eve…

Ignoring the fact that I miss the blind trust you seem to have, that all we need is to donate some money and the outcome will magically be good... I honestly don't know any local investigative nonprofit that is not biased. There are the big conservatively led newspapers, and there are smaller left to extreme left leaning publishers that try to be a counterweight. However, to my knowledge, we dont have any publishers…

Friend, I think your cynicism's clouding how you're interpreting my words. What you're interpreting as blind trust is me just saying that people are people and people gonna people, yanno? And lol, nah. The amount of bullshit I've seen from my peer group is laughable and I've had a tendency to be very aggressive in pushing back on bad reporting. Like the Chicago Tribune -- they weren't including all of the facts in their reporting on something and wouldn't share any public records that they received through FOIA. So I FOIA'd for a full year of the Tribune's FOIAs and published them without any expectation of anything in return. That journalist no longer speaks to me and doing that burned bridges with the Tribune forever. I did it again the next year because fuck bad journalists who get in the way of public awareness. We should push them to be better. Lol.

I'm not sure that it's even actually possible to have "unbiased" reporting. You want something unattainable and it's understandable why it'd be frustrating that no such thing exists. We live in a fucked up world, m8.

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Author here. Both "you"s are aimed at anyone who shared the fabrication. Journalists shouldn't have reported it uncritically, but everyone who hit the share button is culpable. There's an old proverb - "Who is more foolish; the fool or the fool who follows him?"

Well, I don't disagree but if you expect the general populace to spontaneously develop an immunity to this you'll be waiting a while.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star_Thrower

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How would you criminalise it? Currently journalists are free to not sell their immaterial rights under these conditions where they're transfered to a corporation that puts an editor between them and the publish button.

The name at the top of the article is still the journalist's. They might be selling (through ads or a subscription) an article written by a Pulitzer winner, but in fact it is partly written by an editor, and the journalist hasn't even checked it. Isn't it like selling "beef" lasagnas that contain horse meat?

I dunno about that analogy, but the fix for this is for editors to be included in the byline, or at least at the bottom where contributors are often found. Some newsrooms have started doing this but it should absolutely be more common. But as things are, we have newsrooms whose editorial boards are completely anonymous so i don't expect anything to change in the industry anytime soon.

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> They are all inconservative hands > Journalists who said they were Republicans continued to drop from 18 percent in 2002 and 7.1 percent in 2013 to 3.4 percent in 2022. This figure is notably lower than the percentage of U.S. adults who identified with the Republican party (26 percent according to the poll mentioned earlier) in 2022. About half of all journalists (51.7 percent) said they were Independents, which is…

I don't believe self-reported stats are worth anything in this context. Many conservatives have learnt to keep a low profile, since in many circles, right wing association has become a synonym for evil. Besides, I am not a U.S citizen, so your quoted stats are not relevant to my statement above them.

> I don't believe self-reported stats are worth anything in this context. Many conservatives have learnt to keep a low profile, since in many circles, right wing association has become a synonym for evil.

This is a baseless conspiracy theory.

> Besides, I am not a U.S citizen, so your quoted stats are not relevant to my statement above them.

These patterns hold for every country in the Anglosphere. Canadian leftists are fond of accusing the media of being conservative, but the reality is that they are just so far into alt politics that they consider anyone remotely normal to be an extremist. Similar accusations of crypto-conservatism are levied against journalists in South America, so I have to think that is what is going on here.

There’s an easy way for us to test my theory: What region do you live in, and what specific statements were these journalists making that struck you as evil?

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> They are all inconservative hands > Journalists who said they were Republicans continued to drop from 18 percent in 2002 and 7.1 percent in 2013 to 3.4 percent in 2022. This figure is notably lower than the percentage of U.S. adults who identified with the Republican party (26 percent according to the poll mentioned earlier) in 2022. About half of all journalists (51.7 percent) said they were Independents, which is…

They were explicitly referring to their country, which is just as likely not to be the US, so citing US statistics without further comment or contextualization seems rude. But it's beside the point anyway: They weren't referring to the political affiliation of the people working at the newspaper, they were referring to the leanings of the people who own the newspaper.

> They weren't referring to the political affiliation of the people working at the newspaper, they were referring to the leanings of the people who own the newspaper.

Is Jeff Bezos a conservative?

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For-profit media is definitely a problem, but Jeff Bezos didn't buy the Washington Post and Elon Musk didn't buy Twitter because they thought they were more profitable than any other investments they could have made. I believe they did it because they wanted the power that owning a media outlet can provide in order to help protect their actually profitable businesses. It certainly helps that they have their own reven…

Elon was quite clear the he bought Twitter to make it a free speech forum where you could openly discuss things, even from non establishment standpoints. And that's what it's become.

Here's an incident from September 2024 where links were blocked to a newsletter containing a hacked document with potentially damaging information about JD Vance - and the journalist who published that newsletter then had their account suspended: https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/26/24255298/elon-musk-x-bloc...

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I have got into a long habit of noting the writer of articles I like (that are accurate after checking). I try to follow well written, honest, as unbiased as you can get (or at least consistent if biased - very important) journalists. So the organisations, corporations, stations where they journalise is of lesser consequence.

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Ignoring the fact that I miss the blind trust you seem to have, that all we need is to donate some money and the outcome will magically be good... I honestly don't know any local investigative nonprofit that is not biased. There are the big conservatively led newspapers, and there are smaller left to extreme left leaning publishers that try to be a counterweight. However, to my knowledge, we dont have any publishers…

Friend, I think your cynicism's clouding how you're interpreting my words. What you're interpreting as blind trust is me just saying that people are people and people gonna people, yanno? And lol, nah. The amount of bullshit I've seen from my peer group is laughable and I've had a tendency to be very aggressive in pushing back on bad reporting. Like the Chicago Tribune -- they weren't including all of the facts in th…

Thanks for your last paragraph. You apparently have a lot more inside infos then I ever will, and still, you confirm my observation. There is no unbiased reporting. However, I am not willing to compromise on this. If there is no way I can get unbiased infos, I dont want any "journalism" anymore. If it is a lost cause, so be it. And, that is not cynicism, it is plain despair. I just dont want to be lied to, no matter from what side.

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These problems are largely economic. Donate to your local investigative newsroom.

These problems are not economic. They are a function of an extremely broken process. The lack of money for people doing work on the ground through this model is part of why it is dying and high quality writing is going other places.

> high quality writing is going other places.

Where is that again?

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