Lowest tier comes with 16 gb of memory, same memory size with lowest M. air, why Apple?
Search for memory wall. Moore’s law died a decade ago for DRAM
M5 MacBook Pro
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Not that useful as a heads up. MacOS is great for development. Tons of high profile devs, from Python and ML, to JS, Java, Go, Rust and more use it - the very people who headline major projects for those languages. 2ish hours battery life is crazy. It's 8+ hours with the average Macbook.
> It's 8+ hours with the average Macbook. Did I get a dud? I rarely get over 2.5
If you are on a M-series MacBook and aren't running a 3D Benchmark the entire time, your Mac is broken if it is dying after 2.5 hours.
Have you checked your Battery Health?
If you have an intel-based Mac, it's the same expected battery life as Windows and 2.5 hours on an intel MacBook battery sounds decent for something 5+ years old.
Re: M5 MacBook Pro
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
The real crime is that it starts at 1799 euros, which is $2100, vs $1599 in the US, I know US prices are before tax but even with 20% VAT you're far off...
what happened to US tariffs? how can they be cheaper in the US than EU?
Apple is exempt from tariffs.
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#164I've been a Windows fan forever, but the new Mac hardware is making it hard to remain and it's about time for a new laptop... can't get a good Windows installed on these chips like you could on the Intel-based ones, only virtualized.
Virtualized Windows on M chips is quicker than non-virtualized Windows on your average corporate laptop in my experience.
Re: M5 MacBook Pro
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not that useful as a heads up. MacOS is great for development. Tons of high profile devs, from Python and ML, to JS, Java, Go, Rust and more use it - the very people who headline major projects for those languages. 2ish hours battery life is crazy. It's 8+ hours with the average Macbook.
> It's 8+ hours with the average Macbook. Did I get a dud? I rarely get over 2.5
With Apple Silicon? Yes, that is very low for typical dev usage.
Gaming is another story though, or any other uses that put a lot of stress the GPU.
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#166To any Linux users, I recently bought a fully loaded M4 MacBook pro to replace my aging Lenovo and strongly regret it. I thought I would use it for playing with LLMs, but local dev on a Mac is not fun and I still don't have it fully set up. I'll probably replace it with a framework at some point in the near future. Edit: okay, that garnered more attention than I expected, I guess I owe a qualification. 1. Everything…
>but local dev on a Mac is not fun What are the differences though? I have mbpr and a pc with Fedora on it and I barely see any differences aside from sandboxing in my atomic Kinoite setup and different package manager. People often hating on brew but as a backend dev I haven't encountered any issues for years.
The issues I see people struggle with on a Mac is that development often needs things in a non-default and often less-secure setup.
There isn't a "dev switch" in macOS, so you have to know which setting is getting in your way. Apple doesn't like to EVER show error alerts if at all possible to suppress, so when things in your dev environment fail, you don't know why.
If you're a seasoned dev, you have an idea why and can track it down. If you're learning as you go or new to things, it can be a real problem to figure out if the package/IDE/runtime you're working with is the problem or if macOS Gatekeeper or some other system protection is in the way.
Re: M5 MacBook Pro
#167At least for now, seems to be available only for the 14" MacBook Pro. I want a 16" M5 MacBook Pro so I will wait ...
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#168I've been a Windows fan forever, but the new Mac hardware is making it hard to remain and it's about time for a new laptop... can't get a good Windows installed on these chips like you could on the Intel-based ones, only virtualized.
Virtualized Windows on M chips is quicker than non-virtualized Windows on your average corporate laptop in my experience.
ARM Windows still has so many pain points, depending on your niche.
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#169Pretty funny how they're actively targeting M1 users with their marketing copy with this release. Sorry you made your first gen chip so good that I don't feel the need to upgrade lol.
One of the problems is that I don’t notice a meaningful difference(that’s worth the money) between my M1 and my M4 workloads. (Dev/video). Obviously the rendering is faster but the OS isn’t. Tahoe makes my M2 feel like an intel mac.
Chip, memory and storage are really fast, but I’m fully convinced that the OS is crippling these machines.
Re: M5 MacBook Pro
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
The real crime is that it starts at 1799 euros, which is $2100, vs $1599 in the US, I know US prices are before tax but even with 20% VAT you're far off...
The EU requires a 1 year warranty on electronics, where in the US it's only 90 days. The higher cost of electronics reflects this.
Apple has a 1 year warranty in the US.
https://www.apple.com/legal/warranty/products/embedded-mac-w...